RE: Elitist attitude
 

RE: Elitist attitude
 

Those aren't traditional fishing poles. I don't think you should be allowed to fish unless you use traditional cane fishing poles.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

And the boat isnt trad ether;)...it should be made of Berchwood with paddels made out of oak or something of that nature....

RE: Elitist attitude
 

I stand by my statement--from a legal hunting perspective, according to the regs in most states, crossbows are not archery equipment. You don't have to get a special permit to use archery equipment during the archery season--if a crossbow was standard archery equipment, no permit would be required. Not quite a gun, but certainly not a bow.

My concern is we are going to loose the archery onlyseason, or have it lumped in with everything else. We've already lost two weeks that used to be archery season, now it's "primitive weapons". That term is a real joke in MS--in most areas you can use certain centerfire rifles (.44, .45-70, .444, etc.) with scopes during "primitive weapons" season. Some gov't land required the used of actualy muzzleloaders, but I think scopes are allowed there also.

Seems we have fewer hunters and more deer, but hunting land is getting a lot harder to find and public land getsmore and more crowded.


Chad

RE: Elitist attitude
 

the above is a very solid view, it really is, but what its missing is what hunting is all about anyway. the above fixes only on kill stats, G&F rules and regs.

does it matter ? I think more and more it does, but ....



People who make their own archery equipment, whittling out self bows and can arrows, knapping their own heads, they ARE BETTER THAN ME AND MY3 PIECETD LAMINATED RECURVE AND CARBONS in that they are choosing a much more difficult route. Much admiration, kudo's and recognition needs to be given to them.

Do you agree ?

My cockiness before trad was like most compounders - I hated crossbows and everything they stood for because that was what I was suppose to believe, P&Y clube said so [:o]


Chad, if MS allowed crossbows tommorrow in general archery season, to everyone, would you then accept them as archery equipment ?

RE: Elitist attitude
 

I do acknowledge your consistence with that response. But to say someone is better? No. More persistent ? Yes.

No one knows if they (non trad shooter that is), is better. They have yet to be tested and just might never feel the need to. So to be uppidy is kind of childish.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

Crossbow as definend..a weapon for discharging quarrels and stones that consists chiefly of a short BOW mounted crosswise near the end of a wooden stick....

Crossbowman....a soldier or a HUNTER whose weapon is a crossbow..

Its a BOW face it........

There is a group of Elitest that cant except the fact that if a weapon has limbs and a string it cant be a bow,just like the Elitestthat think they can change our constitution.or amendments....

We all need to be together if we want our hunting privleges to be kept and not throwen away.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

No, I wouldn't. However, my opinion wasn't the point in question. As it stands, in most states, a crossbow is not archery equipment. That was the perspective I spoke from. It's a "primitive" weapon, or at least has primitive roots--no more, no less.


Something else I'll note--some medival crossbows hurled rocks instead of bolts--are those still bows? Why or why not?

Chad

RE: Elitist attitude
 

"from a legal hunting perspective, according to the regs in most states, crossbows are not archery equipment"

That is a wholly incorrect statement since most states allow a crossbow to be used during archery season but most of them require a specialpermit. That means that the states DO allow that it is a piece of archery equipment, but the incorrect information and politics of certain groups (P&Y being one of them) has made it so that using it is a series of hoop to jump thru. If it was not archery, then with a permit, handicapped people could use a gun, couldnt they?? This is a pretty standard fall back in the "its not a bow" argument and it carries no weight.

"Something else I'll note--some medival crossbows hurled rocks instead of bolts--are those still bows? Why or why not? "

Actually...they were considerd a "sling shot" since the projectile was "shot" and did not "arch" like an arrow or bolt while in flight. To answer your questions, yes, it is a crossbow, but no, it is not ARCHery.... This is as close to that assanine term "crossgun" as you are gonna get...


Wyvern

RE: Elitist attitude
 

Like I already pointed out, if a crossbow was simply archery equipment then there would be no need for a special permit to use one during the archery only season. Archery season--archery equipment--no special permit required.

I don't consider it to be a gun either--it's in-between IMO.

I'm not leading a protest against them, and I don't care if someone chooses to use one in the appropriate season (primitive weapons). In my opinion (take it for what it's worth), a crossbow is not archery equipment.

Not that it matters, but a rock, ball bearing, etc. when shot from a slingshot arches very much like an arrow or bolt. My point there was simple--does the projectile make it a bow, or not? It's a bow when firing a bolt, but a slingshot when firing a rock? If the ammunition defines the weapon, then the 10/.22 converted to fire bolts is also a "bow"? And the slingshot that fires bowfishing arrows, is it a bow too?

I don't recall the folks that fought and lobbied for separate archery seasons to have included crossbows in that battle.

If you like them, by all means use them--in the appropriate season. It's your choice, just like it's mine to use a bow rather than a muzzleloader during primitive weapon's season. To me it's along the same lines as developing a black powder load for a .270 or .30-'06 then expecting to be able to use that during muzzleloader season. Hey, It's not exactly a muzzleloader, but I'm using the same type of powder and they both fire bullets--so they are one and the same, right?


Chad