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Lilhunter wrote:
I have to say there is one method I teach to starting traditional folks, espcially kids, but adults alike. 3 under!!! Split fingered will put the point of the arrow to low for a beginner to fully appreciate the value of &quot;aiming&quot; where 3 under is usually point on somewhere near the 20 yard mark. Use the point of the arrow and either use point of aim or gap shooting. People want results! At hunting ranges, 3 under does this with minimal amount of knowledge on the shooters part. After time, they can make any switch they choose and the results will come much faster. At the beginning there is to much to work on to worry about where your arrow is going to hit and in due time you can roll over into instictive shooting, which is what most of us do anyways. Some sort of gap, split vision, point of aim, and roll over into instictive. Its a broad statement that doesn't cover everyone, but covers many!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Lilhunter- I pointed out the 3-finger under hold because you had mentioned starting a new shooter that way and then switching them later. I was taught to master the 1-finger over hold in the traditional method of shooting before I learned other shooting styles.
We used to put a small piece of electrical tape on the back of the riser to use for a gapping mark.

Barebow was very popular in our club in the 60's, with a longer 40# tournament recurve. When the first compounds came out- you couldn't string walk them because it changed the tiller of the bow.
The compounds also were the beginning of the releases. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
In fact- Palmer brought back the first release anyone in the club had ever seen- the year he won Nationals (68).
damn gadgets...

CaptJack

Edited by - CaptJack on 10/22/2002 17:32:59

WOW! You guys are a wealth of knowledge. Lilhunter, I will be at the range tomorrow and will give your techniques a try. I have been shooting 1 over 2 under and am fairly comfortable with it but will give the 3 under a try. Lilhunter and CaptJack, thanks for the help. I ordered &quot;Instinctive Archery Insights&quot; and &quot;Be the Arrow&quot; from Amazon and was wondering if anyone has read them and what are your opinions.

&quot;Become the Arrow&quot; (Byron Ferguson) is my favorite among the instructional books I have read (I admit I haven't read that many though). It may be in part because I have met and talked with Byron several times, and he is a really nice, down-to-earth kinda guy--just a good 'ol boy from Alabama. It is clear, concise, and easy to read though. Although I don't use the same style he does, it has a lot of great hints and pointers about things that are useful to you regardless of what style you choose. One thing though--I strongly disagree with the section on wood arrows. It may have been true when he wrote it (several years ago), or maybe he just didn't know where to look, but you can get good wood shafting nowadays.

Good luck!

Chad

Long Bows Rule!

Pardon me while I veer off topic for a second...

Lil,

I have to agree with your comment about starting kids with the 3 under. I think it's more of a natural grip for them considering the size of their hands. At least for my yard-apes, the whole concept of using a tab and holding a string at the same time was a lot easier with 3 under. They both took to the pick a spot and shoot idea right off (with varied results <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) and they're actually starting to shoot fairly well- they're 7&8 and have been shooting sporatically for a couple of summers.

Now if I can just get them to quit shouting &quot;Is it dead? Did I kill it?&quot; at 3-D shoots...

Regardless of what style you use it still boils down to consistant form.


RC

Edited by - tuffcity on 10/22/2002 23:16:57

Now I am tracking Capt! Sorry, so much time off, my brains...umm...GONE <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>!


To funny Tuff!!!

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When I used to shoot instinctive I was as good as I was and never could get any better.It was very good for the first few shots but I sometimes wanted to shoot all day. Now I gap shoot simply because I can controll my practice more and i'm not a slave to a &quot;subconcious&quot; way of aiming. When I aim at a deer I want to &quot;know&quot; where my arrow is pointing not worry about what my subconcious is doing.

&quot;Hey ya'll, watch this&quot;

IF ya'll are shooting same dominance eye ! I shoot cross dominant and while I can see the arrow and riser in my periphreal vision, I think its impossible to sight with the arrow or use a riser mark when shooting cross dominant.

I don't know how I shoot really. I am &quot;aware&quot; of the way my bow is, how its being held, high low, left and right and after a lot of practice theres a rhythym to it. I think I shoot instinctively - I can shoot very low light where seeing a mark on a riser would be impossible (however I cannot see tree limbs ?? )

If ya'll haven't tried it, shoot an opposite handed bow where the eye dominance thing comes into play - not the same kind of shooting for sure. I tried shooting left handed and just felt more comfortable right handed although I can definitely see the advantages of looking down the arrow.
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First, there is such a thing as instinctive shooting. It's more or less pointing the bow arm at the target and letting go. You could probably do it with your eyes closed if your sense of point was right on, but mostly that doesn't happen, particularly for people who think too much.

And one thing's for sure. You can't learn it by using sights, whether the sight is the arrow or a mark on the riser or whatever.

I think most people have problems learning it because they think too much about it instead of just practicing. You don't need to be able to explain it in rigorous psychological terms to do it and in fact it's probably better to leave the explaining to people who make their living explaining things. You can literally think your arrow right off target if you don't watch out.

Now, I suppose there are people who are willing to invest the time and effort in learning how to shoot instinctively and people who aren't but there's really no shortcuts so if you want to learn it, you can and if you don't, you might as well use gap or three-finger under or a mark on your riser and leave it at that. It's no big deal, whatever works, right?

Edited by - rita on 11/13/2002 12:53:35