Oops, forgot about the speed rating with the string things on. Still think they undersold themselves by doing that.

About stacking early-
I owned a 2002 mighty-mite and everyone who owned and then sold one (some on this sight) told me the harsher draw cycle of the MM was why they prefered the Patriot instead.
My shoulder was giving me fits, even when I reduced the draw weight to 62#. I couldn't shoot the bow 2 days in a row without shoulder pains so I had to sell it. I THOUGHT this was because it was stacking early. I don't really know what caused it for sure, but I can shoot my Pat all week long at 65#'s w/ no shoulder worries.
IF the stacking early was the culprit then the Allegience AND Switchback will have to stay on the shelf if I go bow shopping anytime soon. I'd hate to find out $650 dollars later that my shoulder can't handle it again.

DaveC brings up a good point Individual archers drawing the same bow will come away with sometimes much different opinions of "how it feels". I too have been having problems with my shoulders lately and the older I get, the more I pay attention to "how it feels". That's why I ordered a 60 pound Allegiance this year. My neighbor,,, who is a brute of a guy, thinks it's "too easy"[&:] I think it's "just right".
It's great that BowTech offers all the different cam systems for different people. My wife has the '04 Patriot and to her, it draws much better than her '02 Tec 29. They have improved the Infinity cam to almost perfection IMO as far as speed AND comfort,, plus, it's very quiet.

I had heard so many good things........I just had to go shoot them to see for myself. You explained it very well......the Allegiance was a screamer no doubt, but if I have to pull through that draw it's not worth it IMO...........I can't see myself drawing that thing very smoothly with hunting clothes on. I had a T-Shirt on at the shop and it wasn't easy on me.


That is what is nice about personal experiences......they can vary from person to person. I HATED Mathews grips..........until I picked up the Switchback. No one can say what is right for someone else.


I am gonna go shoot the new Patriot soon. As it stands right now my 03 Patriot will be with me in my stand next year..........maybe the 05 Patriot will knock my socks off though. Gonna shoot the Defender as well.


That was one of my issues bouncing in my head......The Allegiance felt faster, but my Patriot is faster then anything I need right now. If that is all I am gonna get out of an upgrade it's not worth it IMO......an extra couple fps isn't gonna do anything for me at this point. I had to pull my arrow out of the ground with two hands after it passed through the buck I shot this year......I was gonna let off some weight next year because I feel like I am in overkill territory as it is. I shoot a heavy arrow at 275 fps with Magnus heads.......if I shoot any faster all I will see is my nock sticking out of the ground

If I didn't have a Patriot already both these bows would have me drooling like a madman.

If the Switchback had the Allegiance speed you would have a PERFECT bow IMO. I guess it is a little unrealistic at this point to expect a super fast bow to draw like nothing. That energy has to come from somewhere.

Oops.......shoulda read this first.....pretty much exactly what I just said.

Hey Atlasman, My Patriot cast arrow was so burried so deep after my pass through I had to dig to see the nock.
OK, so I was hunting off the ground, did I forget to mention that??
Anywho, had it not been for a huge bloody X in a cactus leaf I'd never found my arrow!
(took me longer to find the arrow than it did the buck)

I wish I would have shot an Outback just so I could compare.......sounds like a sweet bow.


Same here........wasn't a nightmare by any means......but I agree 100%


I could feel the shot in the grip..........maybe because it had no stabilizer in it or maybe because it had no wrist sling and I didn't want to drop it.......but I felt it every time and I didn't on the Switchback or my Patriot.


If it ain't broke.....don't fix it

The Switchback drew like a dream though........and they were set up the same. I thought the very same thing about how the Allegiance felt.......until I drew the Switchback.


The drop off was nice......gradual, not sudden.

The Allegiance did feel better the more I shot it.........still not great IMO but the shop owner commented that he had to "get used to it" as well.

I bought a Bowtech because it gave me speeds I could not get from any other bow at my short draw length of 27"..............having said that I can't see anyone getting excited over an extra 5 fps enough to buy a new bow for just that reason. If you want an extra 5 fps just take your string silencers off. Major upgrades in speed I can see........but 5 fps seems trivial to me.

I don't even know if I could have drawn the Allegiance with a bad shoulder. I could feel my shoulders getting tired after just a couple shots.