Kinda tough to read the blood sign on your arrow when it's half way to China!!!

Atlasman.........if you get a chance you should look at an Outback just for grins ! IMO it has less vibration than a SB , different DFC but equally as smooth , better backwall due to the draw stop, and nearly the same speed (within 5fps set up for hunting) ! The OB has a very short valley......but I have grown to like it.......especially with the 80% cam !

Biggest difference I saw.........was the SB is quieter ! But I never saw a deer react to my shots this year and killed a nice buck last week that I got two shots on..........so it can't be making very much noise !

I would love to shoot an Outback to see what it's like........seems that most people are comparing it favorably to the Switchback which I thought was a just plain awesome bow.

The Switchback had everything except blazing speed IMO..........I have no doubts it is fast enough to kill anything I would ever point it at though.

Mathews gets a big tip of the cap from me on the Switchback. I have shot more then a few Mathews bows and never really saw what all the fuss was about.......in fact with the crappy grips (to me) I even disliked most of them. Not the case with the Switchback at all. They did a great job on that bow.

If I was starting from scratch and didn't already own a bow........the Switchback would be VERY high on my list of finalists I'm sure.

Of course it is going to be harder. You are pulling 2 inches more than you are used to on top of 4 more pounds. An extra 2 inches of draw is a huge difference from what your body is accustomed to.

Saying the draw was not smooth is incorrect. It has a very smooth draw. No bumps or drop offs at all. Now if you say it wasn't as easy to draw as you expected is another thing.

You need to compare "apples to apples". 4 more pounds and 2 extra inches makes a huge difference. I hope you are able to shoot a 27 incher to really get a feel for how great the bow is.

It's really comical to watch all the BT diehards stick up for their favorite company. Some people will never understand that one man's trash is another man's treasure.


It's ok buckeye, your bow is cool too..................

Ahh, Double Creek, I hope you're not referring to me. I am by no means a Bowtech diehard...yet. I have been a Hoyt junkie for quite a few years, but this year Bowtech did something I really, really liked, so I'm giving them a shot.

I do however agree with you. The Bowtech crowd on here is really sensitive. Almost "Micheal Jackson sensitive".

Nope muzzy, just messing with buckeye.

Hey, muzzy, I'm in the market for some strings, what did you think about your wolfden strings?

Who you callin' sensitive!?

Seriously these guys bring up some valid points, first off the Switchback is a very nice bow, not gonna deny that fact.
I spoke to a few guys at the ATA show who I trust and who have shot both at the same weights and lengths ......and they told me that pretty much if you blind folded them and they didn't have different grips that it would be very hard to tell them apart at the draw. I was told that both feel like their stated weight , it's just that they transition extremely smooth making the effort feel less over the entire draw making the cam system more pleasing to draw.
They said that the Switchback might be a touch milder on the shot but that the Allegiance was quite a bit faster. (I would drop names for you but they are both well known bow testers and asked that their comments be off the record until they can publish their reviews so I will respect that) They were VERY impressed with the Allegiance.

The way that the draw cycle is front loaded on the Allegiance is such that if you are drawing a bow that is too long you will be carrying that weight over a 2" longer portion of the draw cycle carrying it into your shoulder muscles. When it is right for your draw length it has already broken before you get that far. I would say the exact same thing to someone who felt that the Switchback drew harder than the Allegiance given they were reversed. Even 1" too long will make a big difference.......our bodies are not simply not used to that extra length.
Trust me if I tried to draw a 32" bow it's not going to feel pretty regardless of WHAT make or model it is, unless it's a much lower draw weight than I'm accustomed to, that's a fact.

To me Atlas is correct, the Equalizer cams feel like whatever weight they say they are........If I'm drawing 60# it feels like 60# in my book on these cams. The difference is in the fact that the draw force curve is so smooth in transition and front loaded that the effort decreases rapidly as you slide through the draw........it does not stack like the more agressive single or dual cams on the market. The Infinity cam on the Patriot is an agressive cam.
But if Atlas was to draw one to his correct length and same weight as his Patriot he would immediately feel what I am talking about. The "E" cam bow draw cycles are ergonomically correct, meaning that this is the way we SHOULD be drawing bows, and it shouldn't take long for your muscles to forget the harder way.
I would bet anyone here a whole $5 (I know big spender) that if they tried an Allegiance at their comfortable draw weight and length for a few weeks, and then tried to go back to their old bows that they would find Ol' faithful harder to draw than they remember.[:-]

It's not a defense of the cam system, it's just that by the nature of it you really must draw it at your particular draw length , and I would say the same of the Switchback to anyone who said that they tried one above their personal specs and found it tough to draw.

Double Creek,

The wolfden strings were excellent. I used them for about a year with no peep rotation to speak of after the standard 50 or so shots to settle them in. I also didn't note any serving seperation either. Overall, their quality is about up to par with Winners Choice IMO. I liked the WolfDens so much, that I plan on putting a set on my Allegiance after I shoot the factory strings out. About the only downside is the wait. They took approx. 3 weeks to get them to me. This is because they build them by order.

I agree, after shooting my Allegiance for a few weeks my old bow feels MUCH more difficult to draw. The "E" cams feel much more natural. I would agree that the Outback is quieter than the Allegiance, but not by much at all. The Liberty was quieter though. Again, my opinion. Every one of the top end bows is quiet, but a deer will hear every one of them. Whether or not they react to the "noise" is a different story, but they do hear it. Unless it's windy maybe. Anyway, I think the slight differences people talk about in noise is insignificant in the woods. Not trying to start an arguement though.