New user with peep questions
06-15-2004, 06:35 PM
#11
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Maine
Posts: 41
RE: New user with peep questions
Stopped today and looked at the "no peep". Seems like it may add some weight and take a little geting used to, but I may give it a try. The concept seems realistic. However, I wonder how it is in low light?
Also to BenfromVa, what is the benefit of a peer aligner?
Also to BenfromVa, what is the benefit of a peer aligner?
06-16-2004, 08:41 AM
#12
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location:
Posts: 61
RE: New user with peep questions
Personally I currently use the 3 grove 3/16" Shurz-A-Peep and keep it inline with a ultra-nok II, Although aloop would work just as well. The reason I don't like the peep's with rubber tubing is they seem to fail when you need them most. I've tried three different types in the past and all with the same result, They break! It may be because of the amount of shooting, the major temperature changes we get, or getting caught on a bush. No matter, the way I see it the less parts to a peep the less chance of something going wrong.
06-16-2004, 06:16 PM
#13
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Maine
Posts: 41
RE: New user with peep questions
Thanks for the advice. A local archery shop is going to let me set up a new peep anbd try it ontheir range to see how I like it. If that does not seem to fit, I'll go with the peep aligner and new string, even though I hate the thought of spending that much money for a winner's choice. I thought by buying one of these "new fangled" expensive bows, all these problems go away. No way, the accessories are where they really hit your wallet.
06-16-2004, 10:56 PM
#14
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Kansas
Posts: 316
RE: New user with peep questions
There are a lot of TOP quality string makers out there just as good or better than Winners Choice, and at about half the price. Shop around. Do a search here or on archerytalk.com and you will find the good string makers.
JMAC
JMAC
06-17-2004, 07:10 PM
#15
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Maine
Posts: 41
RE: New user with peep questions
Well I finally convinced myself to go with the "no - peep" today. Brought my bow to the shop and was ready to spend the $40. Even had the owner agree if I did not like it, I could return it. Unfortunately, it does not fit the Tec risers on the Hoyt. At least not the standard version. The shop owner was going to check and see if they had an adapter for the tec risers. Had to do though because I could no longer stand the slapping of the rubber band on my peep sight. So I picked up a fletcher true peep and a string loop with peep aligner. I am getting a little twist, but I can still see my pins. Also I am still using my factory string, haven't gone to a winner's choice yet. First I want to see what the outcome is with the no - peep and the Cybertec. Either way, removing the rubber band peep has made a noticeable difference in noise. Thanks.
06-19-2004, 09:10 PM
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Shreveport, LA.
Posts: 200
RE: New user with peep questions
I would never use a rubber band or peep again. I love my no peep. It is great in low light situations and now I can shoot w/ both eyes open. I have an eye dominance thing and my peep blurred out on me. With the no peep, I picked up a few fps, and also I can see my entire target and shooting area quickly and clearly.
There are some drawbacks to the No Peep. It is tough to see the interior circles if you have a light or the sun behind you. You can also "make" the no peep line up even if you are not in your normal form. If you twist your wrist here or lower/raise your head there, you can make it line up. When you do that, usually your shot will be a little off. The no peep is not a total cure but overall I like it and will never go back.
There are some drawbacks to the No Peep. It is tough to see the interior circles if you have a light or the sun behind you. You can also "make" the no peep line up even if you are not in your normal form. If you twist your wrist here or lower/raise your head there, you can make it line up. When you do that, usually your shot will be a little off. The no peep is not a total cure but overall I like it and will never go back.
06-19-2004, 09:14 PM
#17
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Greenfield, IN
Posts: 953
RE: New user with peep questions
Get slapped in the eye w/ peep tubing and you'll never use that crap again.
I use a true peep and after getting everything set.. it comes around perfect EVERY time. If you have issues w/ this for some reason.. then I'd shoot one of the old sure-z-peep (spell?) that divides the string into 3 or 4 strands... and it doesn't matter how it comes back.
But I'd take the time to get the string broke in.. and get everything twisted so that it comes back perfect... it does take a little bit of time w/ the bow press.. but well worth not having the aggrevation of having the peep come back perfect on that once in a lifetime shot.
I use a true peep and after getting everything set.. it comes around perfect EVERY time. If you have issues w/ this for some reason.. then I'd shoot one of the old sure-z-peep (spell?) that divides the string into 3 or 4 strands... and it doesn't matter how it comes back.
But I'd take the time to get the string broke in.. and get everything twisted so that it comes back perfect... it does take a little bit of time w/ the bow press.. but well worth not having the aggrevation of having the peep come back perfect on that once in a lifetime shot.
06-20-2004, 02:11 AM
#18
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Louisville Kentucky USA
Posts: 105
RE: New user with peep questions
This should take care of any peep rotation problems:
"The answer to peep rotation:
http://www.bowmancustomstrings.com/h...p_rotation.htm
1. The very first thing an archer must understand is that all strings will settle. That is, it will stabilize into a position where it will have the least amount of stress or potential for movement. Never draw the bow without an arrow nocked.
After installing the peep on a new string, make note of which way the peep is facing. This position you will use as your guide. Now, without trying to aim, nock an arrow, point it safely at the target butt and release. You should notice that the peep has changed position. This will happen regardless of who made the string set you purchased. The string is becoming seated and on it’s way to settling. When bought, a new string is placed from a relaxed attitude to the highest continuous kinetic stress of any modern material. It must change. The string will creep, however slight and compress on itself because of the flex from the limbs. This is what the cause of peep rotation is all about. The stress of the bow will move the string to its’ most stable mode after all the shots have had their effect. Most manufacturers recommend that a string should be shot a couple of hundred times before it could be considered settled. This article will show you an easier way. Your peep is your guide and also your tool to knowing for yourself when a string has settled rather than guessing from shot quantity.
2. The bow must be shot until there is no movement from the peep. This is where the archer will know that the string has settled.
After you have shot the required number of times, you’ll notice the peep will be in exactly the same position after shooting no matter how many times shot. It could take as little as a dozen shots or as many as a few hundred. Regardless of the amount, the string WILL settle. This is the time to go to the next step. You have a constant to work with now. Bear in mind that this constant is a relative term as your string has already so much twist over its’ length.
3. Draw the bow slowly (nocked) and watch how the peep moves as the string goes through the draw cycle. This is the indicator. The archer then knows what to do with the peep.
After drawing the bow and watching which way the peep moved, you must place it in the bow press.
If your peep rotates from right to left, you will have to take the string off the lower post (finger/centre serving side for Solo cam bows) and turn it from right to left. How much you turn will depend on how much the string rotates through the draw cycle. The string is doing what it wants to do. All you do is help it go where it wants. This is very important. For a half turn rotation, turn the string a half turn. Draw and shoot the bow a number of times to re-settle the peep. If it still does not roll into your eye view, repeat the process or even try an additional full turn. Always shoot the bow a number of times the re-settle the peep before checking for position. If it rotates too far, turn the string back a half turn at a time. Never do more than a half to a full turn at a time because you are close to where the string wants to be at rest. Too many turns gives a settled string much more than it wants to do. I describe it this way to make it easier to visualize. Always, a little at a time will give much better results.
4. If the peep sits exactly opposite to the position desired the next step is quite simple. The archer then just flips the peep to face him/her.
Flipping the peep requires you to go to the bow press again. You don’t have to relax the string completely. Relax only enough to be able to get the peep out and turn it a half turn. Remember that each time the bow is in the press, it has to be shot to re-settle.
5. Sometimes the archer will notice that the peep sits at ¾ of the way no matter what he does. At this point the archer knows he is so close any post or peep movement is too much.
If you can’t seem to get the peep in the right place no matter what is done, you are almost at its’ optimum position. Any post or peep adjustment that is too far and you haven’t yet pulled your hair out is the time to flip strands. This step requires the most care and you go back to the bow press. Relax the string again as in the previous step. Look carefully at the direction of the string twist (all bowstrings MUST have twist and never buy one without). For example, if the normal twist of the string is from right to left and your peep must move to the left an 8th of a turn, give or take, do this. On the face of the peep facing you most, take 2 strands from the left side and flip them to the right side. On the opposite face, take 2 strands from the right side and flip them to the left side. This will pull the peep over to the direction you want. If you want to move it slightly the other way, just do the same steps in the opposite direction. I chose 2 strands for simplicity but there is no set number. The more strands means more movement. This last step is done only when all the previous steps were done first. Draw and shoot the bow a number of times to re-settle the string.
This system for taming peep rotation is also effective for archers using string loops. The only difference is that the string loop must be turned as well and more care taken to allow the string its’ movement. Remember: always let the string go where it wants and let it finish what it wants to do.
There you have it. This method does work and it must be done properly. An archer may have to play with this a couple of times as string quality varies tremendously from one manufacturer to the next. It is my experience that in a short time, sometimes as quick as a half hour, you are freed of those loud, clumsy string additions that slow a bow down by as much as 10 - 20 ft per second.
Peep rotation can be a headache. If an archer slows down and follows a set system of steps, then he can enjoy and explore his potential with much more confidence and pleasure."
Hope this helps. Be safe.
Shoot Straight
Derbytown
"The answer to peep rotation:
http://www.bowmancustomstrings.com/h...p_rotation.htm
1. The very first thing an archer must understand is that all strings will settle. That is, it will stabilize into a position where it will have the least amount of stress or potential for movement. Never draw the bow without an arrow nocked.
After installing the peep on a new string, make note of which way the peep is facing. This position you will use as your guide. Now, without trying to aim, nock an arrow, point it safely at the target butt and release. You should notice that the peep has changed position. This will happen regardless of who made the string set you purchased. The string is becoming seated and on it’s way to settling. When bought, a new string is placed from a relaxed attitude to the highest continuous kinetic stress of any modern material. It must change. The string will creep, however slight and compress on itself because of the flex from the limbs. This is what the cause of peep rotation is all about. The stress of the bow will move the string to its’ most stable mode after all the shots have had their effect. Most manufacturers recommend that a string should be shot a couple of hundred times before it could be considered settled. This article will show you an easier way. Your peep is your guide and also your tool to knowing for yourself when a string has settled rather than guessing from shot quantity.
2. The bow must be shot until there is no movement from the peep. This is where the archer will know that the string has settled.
After you have shot the required number of times, you’ll notice the peep will be in exactly the same position after shooting no matter how many times shot. It could take as little as a dozen shots or as many as a few hundred. Regardless of the amount, the string WILL settle. This is the time to go to the next step. You have a constant to work with now. Bear in mind that this constant is a relative term as your string has already so much twist over its’ length.
3. Draw the bow slowly (nocked) and watch how the peep moves as the string goes through the draw cycle. This is the indicator. The archer then knows what to do with the peep.
After drawing the bow and watching which way the peep moved, you must place it in the bow press.
If your peep rotates from right to left, you will have to take the string off the lower post (finger/centre serving side for Solo cam bows) and turn it from right to left. How much you turn will depend on how much the string rotates through the draw cycle. The string is doing what it wants to do. All you do is help it go where it wants. This is very important. For a half turn rotation, turn the string a half turn. Draw and shoot the bow a number of times to re-settle the peep. If it still does not roll into your eye view, repeat the process or even try an additional full turn. Always shoot the bow a number of times the re-settle the peep before checking for position. If it rotates too far, turn the string back a half turn at a time. Never do more than a half to a full turn at a time because you are close to where the string wants to be at rest. Too many turns gives a settled string much more than it wants to do. I describe it this way to make it easier to visualize. Always, a little at a time will give much better results.
4. If the peep sits exactly opposite to the position desired the next step is quite simple. The archer then just flips the peep to face him/her.
Flipping the peep requires you to go to the bow press again. You don’t have to relax the string completely. Relax only enough to be able to get the peep out and turn it a half turn. Remember that each time the bow is in the press, it has to be shot to re-settle.
5. Sometimes the archer will notice that the peep sits at ¾ of the way no matter what he does. At this point the archer knows he is so close any post or peep movement is too much.
If you can’t seem to get the peep in the right place no matter what is done, you are almost at its’ optimum position. Any post or peep adjustment that is too far and you haven’t yet pulled your hair out is the time to flip strands. This step requires the most care and you go back to the bow press. Relax the string again as in the previous step. Look carefully at the direction of the string twist (all bowstrings MUST have twist and never buy one without). For example, if the normal twist of the string is from right to left and your peep must move to the left an 8th of a turn, give or take, do this. On the face of the peep facing you most, take 2 strands from the left side and flip them to the right side. On the opposite face, take 2 strands from the right side and flip them to the left side. This will pull the peep over to the direction you want. If you want to move it slightly the other way, just do the same steps in the opposite direction. I chose 2 strands for simplicity but there is no set number. The more strands means more movement. This last step is done only when all the previous steps were done first. Draw and shoot the bow a number of times to re-settle the string.
This system for taming peep rotation is also effective for archers using string loops. The only difference is that the string loop must be turned as well and more care taken to allow the string its’ movement. Remember: always let the string go where it wants and let it finish what it wants to do.
There you have it. This method does work and it must be done properly. An archer may have to play with this a couple of times as string quality varies tremendously from one manufacturer to the next. It is my experience that in a short time, sometimes as quick as a half hour, you are freed of those loud, clumsy string additions that slow a bow down by as much as 10 - 20 ft per second.
Peep rotation can be a headache. If an archer slows down and follows a set system of steps, then he can enjoy and explore his potential with much more confidence and pleasure."
Hope this helps. Be safe.
Shoot Straight
Derbytown
07-02-2004, 07:27 AM
#19
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: middletown ohio USA
Posts: 111
RE: New user with peep questions
i have tried numerous peeps and fou nd the master peep to be the best. clamps to the string and you do not have to mess with the string. you can use with a bungee type aligner(not rubber) or without. either way very quiet. if you mount it and upon draw it twists you just rotate a little and reclamp it down. very reliable and nice sight window.hope this helps
