Jeff K

And the "valley" is so small, that is another thing I have heard, who cares about weight, my LX does not bother me, I jumped to that from a PSE that was under 3.5lbs, did not bother me!

Buckfevr

Hey Pabowhunter,

You know we're not going to be happy until you compare your MM VFT to the Outback. You could just shorten the cable a little and go with a little longer string loop.

pdq 5oh

I looked at an Outback today. The finish was very nice. When I drew it back I noticed the near absense of a valley. I think it's more a case of very little break over into the valley. But if you relax and creep a small bit, it wants to get away from you. I didn't shoot it so I can't comment further.

PABowhntr

Ok, ok, you twisted my arm. I will head to the local Mathews dealer with my MM in hand to compare it to the Outback...if they let me in the door that is.

As for the draw length issue...the MM VFT I am shooting now is a "30 inch" draw length though the actual draw is about 30.25...good for me since it still feels a bit short...

CBM SC

After owning a MQ-1 , a Ultra 2 , and an LX (and shooting tons of friend's bows)over the last 7 years ........I don't think the valley is that bad for a Mathews at all. My Ultra 2 would rip your arm off if you crept much......true be told !!

I felt the draw on the Outback was comparable to the LX and when letting down it had plenty of room for creep on 80 % to me ! There are plenty of other bows that I would be more worried about creeping with/or letting down with........including some of the favorites around here !!

Jeff K

My LX is the same way, but it is very comfortable and smooth, iot does not bother me at all!