Whisker biscuit
 

It looks like to me the whisker biscuit would take away from power and speed when the fletching goes through the whiskers.Can anyone tell me a definite yay or nay on whether they do?I would appreciate it greatly.

Most definitely a YES to your question. They slow your arrows and destroy fletching. Stupidest and most poorly thought out rest design of all time.

Thanks again super_hunt54.That's what i was thinking.I didn't see how an arrow could pass through it without serious drag.The Grizzly i asked about in the other thread came with one attached but now that i have someone else's input,am canning it.

Lol I disagree with SH on this one. I think it's a good rest a beginner and hunting. I don't use one myself but I think at one time it was a good choice. Technology has passed it by now though imo.

Horse pucky! Dun listen to that mess Imshocked. Rock's pulling ya leg :D He knows they are completely retarded and quite possibly the absolute stupidest rest ever conceived from the mind of men. It's a rest that is designed to fail! Bristles wear down and cause change of point of impact, they destroy your fletchings, they cause bad loaded arrow handling habits for when someone smartens up and gets a proper rest, the list goes on and on!

Thanks rock.I agree on the beginner part..sorta.It would help with someone who can't keep the arrow on the rest when they draw.My son's bow came with one installed and I'm supposed to install one on my niece's bow this week but I think i'll try to convince my brother to but a different rest.That way she won't get too used to the biscuit holding on to the arrow for her.Thanks again for the reply and have a blessed day.:party0005:

Lol super:biggrin: .I think i'm going to go along with you on this.:hail:I thought my target was destroying my fletching and had a big brain fart,not thinking about it being the rest!Thanks again for your reply and have a great day.

I stand by what I said originally

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Huh, really,???!!!?! Whisker Biscuits are great for keeping arrows in place, thats a fact that i loved about them. Low pro vanes have no ware issues with whisker biscuits. The issue i didn't like, was when you draw back the bristles drag on the arrow & it's loud, but other types are too? But it was to loud for me. Either way the whisker biscuit has it's positive features, and definitely has a nitch.

Holding the arrow is the only plus in my opinion. I would never use one for all the reasons SH outlined. Most of my bow hunting is from stands and my bow is either hanging in front of me on a hanger or sitting on my lap vertically with the stabilizer holding it between my legs. Keeping the arrow on the rest isn't an issue at least with me.

I have a whisker biscuit because i didnt know they had so many cons and im new to bow. Is there another rest out there you reccommend that ain't guna break the bank?

What's your definition of breaking the bank is the first question. I went to drop away rests several years ago and have been completely satisfied with the performance of them. BUT I have been into archery for over 60 years and into compound around 25 years and drop aways can be a bit difficult to tune for the beginner. You have to get the right combination of arrow stabilization (arrow on rest long enough) yet dropping away in time for fletch clearance. If you go to a quality archery shop and have them install and tune your rig then you would probably be more than happy. If doing it yourself, being new to archery, you may be taking on a bit of a headache as they are a bit of a bear sometimes to tune in perfectly. In my opinion though, they are a step above all other rests and worth the extra effort to get them perfectly in tune.

I shoot a ripcord code red drop away.

How long have you been using the WB and how many of these "cons" have you had problems with?

If not for drop aways I'd hunt with a WB and if it tore up my fletching I'd look into better fletching.

ive had the WB on my martin exile since i bought it in 2011 and now that the bristles are startin to wear on the WB ive noticed that when I shoot 40 yards my arrows are now flying lower and more irregular than they used to and I havnt changed anything on the bow. Shooting montecs and easton bloodlines

Round 70$ i would be content with. Can u get drop aways for 70$ or less that arent plastic and junk?

IMO if you liked the WB and had no problems with it for 5 years just get a new $15 biscuit but yes you can get a ripcord rest in the $70 range and it is a better rest BUT if you buy one somewhere that will set it up for you your probably gonna have to pay more for it.

Its more than worth it for some people but if you shoot your bow so little that a WB last 5 years your probably not one of those people IMO.

Yeah 100% agree. For a WB to last 5 years you must shoot VERY little. I seriously doubt a WB would last me more than a month if I'm in my normal range of shooting. But I shoot a LOT. It's good exercise and it keeps me sharp for bow season. If I miss an animal, or even worse WOUND an animal, it's 100% my own fault with no excuses that way.

If you want to shoot more then go with a drop away as it will be worth the expense 100%. But if you are going to continue shooting minimal amounts, just go with a replacement bristle insert.

Whisker Bisket, not so bad
 

Ya Whisker biskets are not so bad, many guys/gals stuck nice deer with the aid of Whisker biskets?! Get over it "SUPERHUNT" Buy the way Why would a guy call himself "super" lol?

How about you "get over" whatever syndrome you have gjersy. I don't know who put the bug up your rear about me but you can take a hike. Anytime you post lately on a thread I am involved in you have something smartass, and completely incorrect 90% of the time, to say. ANYONE who practices anywhere near as much as I do will tell you WB's are designed to fail. Plain and simple. They are fine for the guys who pull out their bows a couple weeks before archery season, you know, guys like you gjersy, and don't dedicate themselves to being the absolute best they can be for the good of the animals we hunt. But for people that actually give a rats rear about being able to put an arrow precisely where it's supposed to be, under any conditions, we kinda hold to equipment that isn't designed so ridiculously. They are okay I suspect for beginners even though they teach poor technique but if the only reason you can come up with to use one is to keep the arrow from falling off the rest, you know, the reason the damn thing was designed, then you need to go back and learn proper drawing and holding form. In all my years of archery hunting, I've had exactly ONE arrow come off the rest and it was totally MY fault. Was trying an angle I knew in the back of my mind I wouldn't be able to pull off but such is the brain fart moments at times. And that's with 15 or so years hunting with a TM hunter style prong rest!

Are you serious? you insult my hunting abilities? lol

Super junt, you joined Feb,2015 & have almost 2700 post's! go out and HUNT!! LIVE LIFE LOL.

And please don't insult me again :)

Hey, rules, 8,12,& 16, were violated by super hunt? Mod's?

"Plain and simple. They are fine for guys who pull their bows a couple weeks before archery season,you know, guys like you gjersy, and don't dedicate themselves to being the absolute best they can be for the animals we hunt" I find this disgusting and a rule violation!! I am a Hunter, and supporter of Hunting.net!

And nothing you say or do is insulting others though right? Can't handle a little truth thrown at you without finding it "disgusting" then don't poke at someone that's not a bit worried about poking back.

OK boys it has been fun but the small time barbs thrown at each other need to stop. I read through everything and don't feel it all warrants anything other than me issuing a general warning providing it stops here. You both like to post and have made some good contributions to the hunting/ shooting threads. I remember having to deal with a similar issue between you two a while ago. My suggestion...which in my opinion is a good one is to take a break and then continue to post but not at each other. The issue was brought up by the OP and has been generally agreed upon through all the posts that it is a useful rest but probably more marketed towards a casual shooter. I think both of you allowed it to get to where it is right now so if there is a continuance both will be affected. If it ends... no harm no foul. Why don't you both step up to the proud line and shake hands and move on. I know if I were involved I would take that suggestion.

First off a beginner has to learn correct form from the onset so using a WB to keep the arrow on the bow should not be a problem with proper form.
As for a good rest for not too much money is the NAP Apache drop away. They cost about $60 and are rock solid.

It's always fun Champlain Islander :)

That's why we post here. Thanks for the co-operation go to both parties in that tennis match. Being a mod is easy when we don't have to do anything.

Whisker biscuit is simple and it works. Nothing to fail at the critical moment. I shoot blazer vanes through a whisker biscuit, no damage to the vanes. For hunting, this is the perfect rest in my opinion.

I think they work fine as well but that ripcord is pretty awesome. I haven't used them all but its on a different level than anything else I have used......and I didn't even want to like it

I have the rip cord on one of my old Bowtechs. Love it myself. But my QAD Ultra custom on my Experience is on a different level. But as I was telling the op previously, it was a bit of a bear even for me to get perfect. But it has a few adjustment's on it and you have to get them all correct and in a proper order of timing for that 0 fault performance. But once you have that bugger locked in, WOW.

QAD's "Hunter" model is vastly cheaper and would be a fairly good beginner drop away as it is much easier to tune. I think the rip cord is around the same price, maybe 10 bucks more according to where you get it, and is about the same tuning that the QAD "hunter" rest involves. Pretty straight forward and easily done.

I have spent (wasted) a lot of money looking for the right rest for me. The Code Red Ripcord is d@mned close, but the QAD Ultra is THE rest for me.

I wouldn't leave the store with a Whisker Biscuit if it came free with the bow.

Ironic that you say that because I often see that rest on complete ready to shoot low to mid level bow packages. I have to admit I never shot a bow with one but always thought that slight pressure had to have some impact on both speed and arrow flight. Archery is such a finesse sport and I always found small issues add up to sub standard performance when working to achieve a higher level of accuracy.

It's been tested by many. You lose an average of 3-5fps depending on your arrow setup I.E.: Diameter, Fletch size, arrow length. And you are correct in your assessment of contact impacting accuracy. Because of the constant contact with the arrow throughout the complete release cycle, ANY missteps within a persons form will be transmitted to the arrow.

In essence, the WB is an "okay" rest for some to use. If you don't shoot a lot and are fine with mediocre results then it's the rest for you. If you actually care about pinpoint precision and you practice like a person that actually cares about putting that arrow where it has to go for the cleanest and quickest kill then there are tons of better rests out there for you.

Trophy Ridge put a lot of money into advertisement and endorsements (paid people to use it and advertise for them) and it won a lot of hunters over.

Sadly, the average archery hunter in the US doesn't even look at their bow until a few weeks before archery season starts. They pound out a few arrows to make sure their bows still work and they think that's okay. IT ISN'T!! As CI stated, archery is a finesse sport and one that has to be consistently practiced or you lose that ever important muscle memory. COULD I set my bows down for 8 months then pick one up and put an arrow dead center bull at 40 yards? More than likely yes. BUT could I do it under the pressure of that 170+ class monster buck at 40 yards standing there all purdy? That my friends is where you need your muscle memory to kick in because your brain is going to be farting BIG TIME!

SH you certainly have a way with words. You must be pretty popular around the camp fire.

I wouldn't shoot any sustained contact rest, like the Whisker Biscuit. Too much opportunity for imperfect follow through to mess up the shot. And of course, some of the tuning in a Whisker Biscuit is totally backwards. I want my bow to stop touching my arrow as soon as possible.

I've found if you can get loss of contact at between 1/4 to halfway through the release stroke you will have enough stabilization from a well tuned bow. Of course that is with the use of a release and not fingers. Fingers release presents a whole other sort of crazy action going on in an arrow. But your bow needs to be tuned perfectly such as center shot, noch travel accounted and compensated for with rest height, tiller, if dual cam then timing, making sure you have no cam lean as some heavy strung bows are susceptible to, just all kinds of things with a compound that many have no clue to look for. It's a simplistic format with a complicated machine for delivery.

I think part of the reason for the success of the WB, other than pure marketing genius, is it's simplicity. But when you look deeper into the design and have actual knowledge of the mechanics of archery you will see the severe faults in that design. I was looking for slow motion video of the actual release with a WB and only found one or 2. I'm sure there are more out there but I just didn't go looking that hard. One of the vids I found was with a guy showing the violent reaction of the fletchings going through the WB and was trying to tell the viewers that it actually has no impact on arrow flight!! Really? No impact? So archers for over 2 thousand years have tried to assure no fletching contact have been doing that for no reason??

Whisker biscuits are fine? Instead of worrying about rests worry about trails, scouting, food source's, shot placement, ect?