I normally shoot 2514 aluminums with very good accuracy. I like the accuracy but I hate the fact that I bend and dent them while practicing. I love the durability of carbons and the flat trajectory, but they don' t seem to group as well for me. Every year I buy a new set of arrows and it seems like I end up buying carbons. The groups aren' t bad enough to steer me away from them and I feel the durability and flat trajectory make up for the small loss in accuracy. Does anyone else have this problem? Anyone know what causes this? I know plenty of guys who shoot them extremely well. I' ve tried every type of tuning possible. Yesterday I tuned it with a bareshaft until I got bullet holes. It' s been too windy since to shoot some groups to see where I' m at.

My man, if you' ll search the archives you' ll find enough threads about carbon arrow problems to choke a horse. Basically, the lower you go on the price scale, the worse problems you have with them. Leave the bottom end stuff to the duffers and buy the upgrade shafts.

Boiled down to it' s lowest common denominator, the answer is ACC' s. (Beat ya to it, Jeff! )

There are carbon composite arrows that are good AND durable AND have enough weight for a serious hunting arrow. I' ve been beating up some Carbon Express Terminator Selects for the past several weeks and am still very impressed with them.

I guess I' ve been resisting spending all that money for a new set when I' ve tried bemans, blackhawks and carbon expresses. There are other cheaper versions too. Is it the straightness factor or weight differences that cause the problem?

Yes, Yes and inconsistent spine. Plus, if you do get fortunate enought to get a dozen with no problems, carbons are more susceptible to spine degredation the more you shoot them.

Another vote for ACCs.

Your bending 2514' s ? those things are like electrical conduit . Try pulling them strait out . I have to agree with range about the carbons . I got some 6075 terinator hunters about 5 months ago and they shot great , but , the more I shoot them the worse the groups get . Looks like I' m back to alluminum as I dont have time to mess with trying to get acc' s tuned to my bow and I' m familiar with the alluminum shafts I allready have . Man right before season and I' m haveing to switch things around .

I' m bending them by hitting them with another arrow. Those things group so well they damage each other. I' m really considering just going back to the aluminums and moving my pins a little.

You should try the Lazer Pro 200' s. I think they' re made by high country. Anyway, I bought a half dozen from a local bow shop that stocks alot of different arrows and the guy told me you couldn' t beat them for the money. Well he was right. I' ve been shooting Goldtips and probably wont go back. They shoot extremely tight at anything out to 40 yards (as far as I' ve shot them because of wind) and I think they' re something like 7.6 grains per inch. The guy in there seems to know his stuff and with a 100gr. fieldtip they weigh right at 375 grains ready to shoot. you can do what I did and try 6 for @$42 out the door.

Last night I decided to try some other arrows I already own. My older blackhawks grouped a little better than the carbon expresses. I only had one 2514 and it flew very well. I also had several 2314 superlights that grouped great. I put new helical fletching on the blackhawks and the 2314' s last night and plan to try them all again tonight. I' m never buying cheap carbons again, I think I' m sticking to the aluminums for awhile. It seems like I go through this every year and I still don' t learn.........

I will refrain from my usual arrow shaft diatribe and just say RB and Arthur are spot on!

Just doing my part to save your poor fingertips, Jeff...