Silent:

On the other hand, it may be that the reader may be too naive and stupid to be able to answer the question on any level.

Metaphor, jsasker. Metaphor. With my brown thumb, I sure ain' t no freakin' gardener!

I tell you what there chief, I got two questions for you?

1. Please state the name of one arrow manufacturer that produces, ships , and sells 100% perfect arrows 100% percent of the time.

2. Please state the name of any manufacurer in any type of business that produces, ships, and sells 100% perfect products 100% of the time. I can' t wait to hear the name of this company because I am going to buy every bit of stock that I can beg or borrow the money for as they are undoubtedly the most profitable/lucrative company in existence today.

You guys know how the arrow buying game goes. If every arrow manufacturer only sold the " perfect" arrow no one would be able to afford to buy them(at least I wouldn' t). If you buy lower grade arrows then you know exactly what to expect (everyone here with any common sense does). If you want 12 " perfect" arrows then you buy the more expensive arrow with higher tolerances, that have been presorted. You know when you make the decision which types of arrows you are puchasing. For most of us, a dozen gold tips will do just fine as very few people actually shoot good enough to tell the difference between a " perfect" (not that such a creature even exits) and an " almost perfect" arrow.

Nobody makes everything 100% perfect. It' s impossible. That' s why they have TOLERANCES. It can be off so much one way or another from the ideal. The further off from ideal the tolerances run, the cheaper it is. The closer to ideal the tolerances run, the more expensive it is.

But when I buy something advertised and warranteed to be within certain tolerances, then I expect it to be within those tolerances. If not, I expect it to be replaced.


If I buy the cheapest stuff available, I expect a low yield of useable arrows. If I pay for top of the line stuff, I expect nearly 100% yield. 9 out of 24 is what I call low yield.

I agree but according to c3po if you sold those arrows then you would be an accomplice to those theiving companies because you sold arrows that aren' t " perfect"


Arthurp

I am not saying that you are wrong for wanting to get what you pay for, as long as you have reasonable expectations. What I do find fault with is c3po coming here trying to make Len look like a crook, for basically selling arrows, becuase every dealer in the world sells lots of every type of arrow in the world that don' t fall 100% within specs. There is no sense trying to run someone down or make them look bad.

Arthur--my bad!here i thought you were actually usin' ' em for tomato stakes!

SA, my expectations are reasonable. All I expect is for the shafts I buy to be within the tolerances advertised and warranted. In other words, within the specs quoted for those shafts. It' s my decision how tight of tolerancing I am willing to pay for, and how low a yield of arrows I' m willing to accept.

It' s not the dealer that' s at fault. I wouldn' t let anyone hand pick their own shafts either. But if I was a dealer, I' d be encouraging people to bring back the junkers so they can be checked against the manufacturers specs. Unhappy customers are not good for business.

Bottom line, there are two different people at fault. The manufacturers for not meeting their own specs and the consumer for allowing them to rip him off. Actually, I guess there is also a third partner in crime... The vast majority of bowhunters are seasonal ' archers' that wouldn' t know a straight arrow from a dog' s hind leg and couldn' t shoot any more accurately with one than the other. They don' t know whether one arrow in their quiver shoots any more accurately than any other and they' re content in their ignorance. So are the manufacturers who are selling the stuff.

But I reckon that falls into the most difficult category of all.... Tuning the archer.

ArthurP

How ever rare it may be, we actually agree on something[] Good Post!

Wha...!??! I nearly fainted dead away, SA!