A 40 yard pie plate
08-07-2008 | 04:37 PM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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From: Normal, IL
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
Just make sure you dont practice too much. Like Mikey said you need to have perfect practice. Its better to go out and make 20 perfect shots than 100 bad ones. Get that form, release and follow through perfect and it will just become second nature for you. Like for me out to 60 yards or so I just glance up at my level make sure its good then settle the pin and let it fly. Once you get to the point where you dont hardly have to think about it and you can hit the bullseye you have mastered shooting at that distance. If your not there at 30 or 35 yards yet its not time to shoot any further. Best of luck, and hang in there youll get it.
08-07-2008 | 09:24 PM
#12
Boone & Crockett
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From: Hughesville, PA USA
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
ORIGINAL: forddeerslayer
very well said thank you. i think that is more of it then i give i think it is. the target looks so much more smaller and i use the motto every time i shot aim small miss small. im probably over thinking it or something like that. thanks for commenting.
ORIGINAL: passthru79
It could be a mental thing. Ive seen it several times, someone is trying to shoot farther than they ever had and cant group at all. Just remember the basics. Shooting at 40 is no differant than shooting at 20 or 30. You need to make sure your doing everything exactly the same except use your 40 yard pin. It maybe farther than you have ever shot before just keep in mind its only 10 yards. The farther you shoot the more exagerated your flaws in shooting form will be.
It could be a mental thing. Ive seen it several times, someone is trying to shoot farther than they ever had and cant group at all. Just remember the basics. Shooting at 40 is no differant than shooting at 20 or 30. You need to make sure your doing everything exactly the same except use your 40 yard pin. It maybe farther than you have ever shot before just keep in mind its only 10 yards. The farther you shoot the more exagerated your flaws in shooting form will be.
If so, cut a 2" square out of it and aim at it. You'll still see it, if you can't make it a 3" circle or just big enough to see behind your pin.
It's easier to hit the center of a golf ball than it is the center of the basketball. It goes along with the "aim small, miss small" but if your aiming at a pie plate your not aiming small enough.
Focus on the target, not the pin, the pin should be secondary. As it's been said, trust your float.
08-07-2008 | 10:02 PM
#13
Giant Nontypical
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From: Jackson, Missouri
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
I'll just throw something out there that may go against conventional wisdom, but ...
If you've got room, back up to 50 and 60 yards. Assuming you've got all the basics of form and all down (I'd suggest looking at Matt / Pa's thread in the target archery forum at some of the more advanced archers to check yourself), sometimes it helps to shoot at longer distances just to make the yardage you're wanting to get confident in seem like a chip shot.
Try it afew times and see how it does; don't go crazy trying to start shooting 50 all the time when you're not real comfortable shooting 40. It's just a thought, nothing more.
If you've got room, back up to 50 and 60 yards. Assuming you've got all the basics of form and all down (I'd suggest looking at Matt / Pa's thread in the target archery forum at some of the more advanced archers to check yourself), sometimes it helps to shoot at longer distances just to make the yardage you're wanting to get confident in seem like a chip shot.
Try it afew times and see how it does; don't go crazy trying to start shooting 50 all the time when you're not real comfortable shooting 40. It's just a thought, nothing more.
08-08-2008 | 01:59 AM
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Fork Horn
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From: MO
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
Not trying to discourage you on this but I have beenshooting bowsfor 16 years and I have found out what my limitation's are and basically anything over 30 yards is out of range for me. For what ever reason mental, physical or both I just can't do it consistently so when I hunt it's around 25 yards and under just to be sure. I have taken deer at 30 yardsit just really depends on how I feel at the time I usually pass or wait on a closer shot.
I haven't given up though I still practice out to 50 yards (range limitation's) to try and get better but it just doesn't happen for me anyway.
Just keep practicing and don't give up and one day you may get there. One thing you need to remember is to know you limitations when you go out hunting and go by them.
I haven't given up though I still practice out to 50 yards (range limitation's) to try and get better but it just doesn't happen for me anyway.
Just keep practicing and don't give up and one day you may get there. One thing you need to remember is to know you limitations when you go out hunting and go by them.
08-08-2008 | 05:45 AM
#15
Nontypical Buck
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From: Balt, MD (orig: J-town,PA) The bowels of Hell!!!
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
Rob is right on about the size of your target. Aim small, miss small is right on.
IfI put a small object (1"orange circle)on a target I can shoot very consistently at it at 50 yds. However, put up atarget with the big black area andI have all sorts of trouble concentrating on the X ring. Especially when the X itself is shot out andI no longer have that white reference point.
WhenI first started shooting I'd take a playing card and start cutting it intosmaller squares the better I got. 1" to start with. then, 1/2", then 1/4". AsI got better even a small target like a 1" circle seemed huge to me even at longer ranges.
IfI put a small object (1"orange circle)on a target I can shoot very consistently at it at 50 yds. However, put up atarget with the big black area andI have all sorts of trouble concentrating on the X ring. Especially when the X itself is shot out andI no longer have that white reference point.
WhenI first started shooting I'd take a playing card and start cutting it intosmaller squares the better I got. 1" to start with. then, 1/2", then 1/4". AsI got better even a small target like a 1" circle seemed huge to me even at longer ranges.
08-08-2008 | 07:02 AM
#16
Typical Buck
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RE: A 40 yard pie plate
one more thing I forgot to mention. Shooting 15 or 20 arrows for a practice session probably ain't enough. I know, it goes against what most are telling you, but that just isn't a long enough session to program your brain and burn your routine into it. I've been around some pro's and heard them say several times it takes them 30 or 40 practice arrows to get themselves in their groove before a competition round. If you're shooting 15 or 20 arrows, and you're not tired or shaky, keep going. If you're hitting good, just shoot some more. Go until you either get tired, or start to shoot badly. Then you quit. You'll know this point the more you shoot. Archery is a sport of repitition, and mental training. More mental than anything. And you want to literally make yourself a robot, especially in the head. YOu want drawing, aiming, and releasing to be like tying your shoes. And the only way to do that is by good repitition.
You won't get good at long distance if you don't put in the time and effort. And don't worry about 50 or 60 yards right now. Become 100% confident at 30, then play at 35, then 40. If you skip 40, and go to 50, you're just gonna frustrate yourself even more. Baby steps my man, baby steps.
And most of all, enjoy it. It's supposed to be fun!
You won't get good at long distance if you don't put in the time and effort. And don't worry about 50 or 60 yards right now. Become 100% confident at 30, then play at 35, then 40. If you skip 40, and go to 50, you're just gonna frustrate yourself even more. Baby steps my man, baby steps.
And most of all, enjoy it. It's supposed to be fun!
ORIGINAL: forddeerslayer
thanks alot. i do have a grip similar to that even tho my middle ring and pinky are kinda more straight out. i shot just a little bit ago and my first group was about 4 inches and it got larger from there i didnt shot that much but i realize i need all the practice i can get. i dont shot more then about 15-20 arrows per night as i have been advised it might help me shot better.
thank you again i was told to try to shot at 50 yards and that will make my 40 yds easier. i only want a 3 pins on my sight and i dont have a straight flat place to shot a clean 50 yards. i will try 35 tommorow for sure i never thought of that. its worth a try,maybe then like you said i can work up to 40. i want to be confident in a 40 yard shot this year if i can get there.... im gunna try.
thanks alot. i do have a grip similar to that even tho my middle ring and pinky are kinda more straight out. i shot just a little bit ago and my first group was about 4 inches and it got larger from there i didnt shot that much but i realize i need all the practice i can get. i dont shot more then about 15-20 arrows per night as i have been advised it might help me shot better.
thank you again i was told to try to shot at 50 yards and that will make my 40 yds easier. i only want a 3 pins on my sight and i dont have a straight flat place to shot a clean 50 yards. i will try 35 tommorow for sure i never thought of that. its worth a try,maybe then like you said i can work up to 40. i want to be confident in a 40 yard shot this year if i can get there.... im gunna try.
08-08-2008 | 07:03 PM
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Fork Horn
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From: pa soon to be greenup county ky
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Are you shooting at a pie plate?
If so, cut a 2" square out of it and aim at it. You'll still see it, if you can't make it a 3" circle or just big enough to see behind your pin.
It's easier to hit the center of a golf ball than it is the center of the basketball. It goes along with the "aim small, miss small" but if your aiming at a pie plate your not aiming small enough.
Focus on the target, not the pin, the pin should be secondary. As it's been said, trust your float.
ORIGINAL: forddeerslayer
very well said thank you. i think that is more of it then i give i think it is. the target looks so much more smaller and i use the motto every time i shot aim small miss small. im probably over thinking it or something like that. thanks for commenting.
ORIGINAL: passthru79
It could be a mental thing. Ive seen it several times, someone is trying to shoot farther than they ever had and cant group at all. Just remember the basics. Shooting at 40 is no differant than shooting at 20 or 30. You need to make sure your doing everything exactly the same except use your 40 yard pin. It maybe farther than you have ever shot before just keep in mind its only 10 yards. The farther you shoot the more exagerated your flaws in shooting form will be.
It could be a mental thing. Ive seen it several times, someone is trying to shoot farther than they ever had and cant group at all. Just remember the basics. Shooting at 40 is no differant than shooting at 20 or 30. You need to make sure your doing everything exactly the same except use your 40 yard pin. It maybe farther than you have ever shot before just keep in mind its only 10 yards. The farther you shoot the more exagerated your flaws in shooting form will be.
If so, cut a 2" square out of it and aim at it. You'll still see it, if you can't make it a 3" circle or just big enough to see behind your pin.
It's easier to hit the center of a golf ball than it is the center of the basketball. It goes along with the "aim small, miss small" but if your aiming at a pie plate your not aiming small enough.
Focus on the target, not the pin, the pin should be secondary. As it's been said, trust your float.
08-08-2008 | 07:10 PM
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Fork Horn
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From: pa soon to be greenup county ky
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
I'll just throw something out there that may go against conventional wisdom, but ...
If you've got room, back up to 50 and 60 yards. Assuming you've got all the basics of form and all down (I'd suggest looking at Matt / Pa's thread in the target archery forum at some of the more advanced archers to check yourself), sometimes it helps to shoot at longer distances just to make the yardage you're wanting to get confident in seem like a chip shot.
Try it afew times and see how it does; don't go crazy trying to start shooting 50 all the time when you're not real comfortable shooting 40. It's just a thought, nothing more.
I'll just throw something out there that may go against conventional wisdom, but ...
If you've got room, back up to 50 and 60 yards. Assuming you've got all the basics of form and all down (I'd suggest looking at Matt / Pa's thread in the target archery forum at some of the more advanced archers to check yourself), sometimes it helps to shoot at longer distances just to make the yardage you're wanting to get confident in seem like a chip shot.
Try it afew times and see how it does; don't go crazy trying to start shooting 50 all the time when you're not real comfortable shooting 40. It's just a thought, nothing more.
08-08-2008 | 07:14 PM
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Fork Horn
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From: pa soon to be greenup county ky
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
ORIGINAL: Mikey S.
Practice practice practice. Practice makes perfect, and you have to have perfect practice too. Make sure your bow is tuned well too as far as cam timing and paper tears. Things get different beyond 30 yards. The breeze starts to affect the arrow more, and any mistake you do in grip, flinch or punching the trigger will show up at that range. 40 yards is a long way to shoot at a deer in the woods. I practice with bheads out to 50 yards, and I've killed 40-45 deer with a bow. Maybe 3 of them were over 30 yards, and one at 55. So just relax, practice, and know your limits.
Nobody can critique your form till someone sees it. So if you can get to a good shop with some good shooters to help ya out, it's tough for us on here. Relax your bow had, and squeeze the release. let the pin float, and focus on the X. LOL after about 1000 shots, it'll become natural for you
Practice practice practice. Practice makes perfect, and you have to have perfect practice too. Make sure your bow is tuned well too as far as cam timing and paper tears. Things get different beyond 30 yards. The breeze starts to affect the arrow more, and any mistake you do in grip, flinch or punching the trigger will show up at that range. 40 yards is a long way to shoot at a deer in the woods. I practice with bheads out to 50 yards, and I've killed 40-45 deer with a bow. Maybe 3 of them were over 30 yards, and one at 55. So just relax, practice, and know your limits.
Nobody can critique your form till someone sees it. So if you can get to a good shop with some good shooters to help ya out, it's tough for us on here. Relax your bow had, and squeeze the release. let the pin float, and focus on the X. LOL after about 1000 shots, it'll become natural for you
ORIGINAL: forddeerslayer
I need some advise or tips or whatever you want to call it. I am having trouble getting a good group at 40 yards consistenly(spell). i have good 2-3 inch groups at 20 and 30 yards. but i am working on my 40 yard pin and it is taking alot more time then my other two. this is my first new bow and my second year of bowhunting. i dont have anyone else who can give me hands on training i am self tought with the help of HuntingNet and a couple people i talk to i have gotten this far. i was and i am just going to continue to do the only thing i know to do and practice but i wasnt sure if you guys and gals could give me any quick hints or not. i appreciate it.
I need some advise or tips or whatever you want to call it. I am having trouble getting a good group at 40 yards consistenly(spell). i have good 2-3 inch groups at 20 and 30 yards. but i am working on my 40 yard pin and it is taking alot more time then my other two. this is my first new bow and my second year of bowhunting. i dont have anyone else who can give me hands on training i am self tought with the help of HuntingNet and a couple people i talk to i have gotten this far. i was and i am just going to continue to do the only thing i know to do and practice but i wasnt sure if you guys and gals could give me any quick hints or not. i appreciate it.
08-08-2008 | 07:22 PM
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Fork Horn
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From: pa soon to be greenup county ky
RE: A 40 yard pie plate
ORIGINAL: Mikey S.
one more thing I forgot to mention. Shooting 15 or 20 arrows for a practice session probably ain't enough. I know, it goes against what most are telling you, but that just isn't a long enough session to program your brain and burn your routine into it. I've been around some pro's and heard them say several times it takes them 30 or 40 practice arrows to get themselves in their groove before a competition round. If you're shooting 15 or 20 arrows, and you're not tired or shaky, keep going. If you're hitting good, just shoot some more. Go until you either get tired, or start to shoot badly. Then you quit. You'll know this point the more you shoot. Archery is a sport of repitition, and mental training. More mental than anything. And you want to literally make yourself a robot, especially in the head. YOu want drawing, aiming, and releasing to be like tying your shoes. And the only way to do that is by good repitition.
You won't get good at long distance if you don't put in the time and effort. And don't worry about 50 or 60 yards right now. Become 100% confident at 30, then play at 35, then 40. If you skip 40, and go to 50, you're just gonna frustrate yourself even more. Baby steps my man, baby steps.
And most of all, enjoy it. It's supposed to be fun!
thanks for saying that it is fun i love it even if i get frustrated its better then work or alot of other things lol.
question tho does it really become that natural? i have a long way to do lol thats not a bad thing im looking forward to it. like i said i love shooting my bow i want to learn and do all i can to be the best i can at it. again thanks for taking your time to share your advise with me i will take hed to it. i will be more consious about how many i shot and stop as youmentioned. that makes very good sense to me. i can see where the 12-15 or so i was shooting and then stopping is like trying to ride a bike for 5 minutes and then stopping for the day.
thanks again for your helpbest of luck all of you this season!
one more thing I forgot to mention. Shooting 15 or 20 arrows for a practice session probably ain't enough. I know, it goes against what most are telling you, but that just isn't a long enough session to program your brain and burn your routine into it. I've been around some pro's and heard them say several times it takes them 30 or 40 practice arrows to get themselves in their groove before a competition round. If you're shooting 15 or 20 arrows, and you're not tired or shaky, keep going. If you're hitting good, just shoot some more. Go until you either get tired, or start to shoot badly. Then you quit. You'll know this point the more you shoot. Archery is a sport of repitition, and mental training. More mental than anything. And you want to literally make yourself a robot, especially in the head. YOu want drawing, aiming, and releasing to be like tying your shoes. And the only way to do that is by good repitition.
You won't get good at long distance if you don't put in the time and effort. And don't worry about 50 or 60 yards right now. Become 100% confident at 30, then play at 35, then 40. If you skip 40, and go to 50, you're just gonna frustrate yourself even more. Baby steps my man, baby steps.
And most of all, enjoy it. It's supposed to be fun!
thanks for saying that it is fun i love it even if i get frustrated its better then work or alot of other things lol.
question tho does it really become that natural? i have a long way to do lol thats not a bad thing im looking forward to it. like i said i love shooting my bow i want to learn and do all i can to be the best i can at it. again thanks for taking your time to share your advise with me i will take hed to it. i will be more consious about how many i shot and stop as youmentioned. that makes very good sense to me. i can see where the 12-15 or so i was shooting and then stopping is like trying to ride a bike for 5 minutes and then stopping for the day.
thanks again for your help
best of luck all of you this season!
ORIGINAL: forddeerslayer
thanks alot. i do have a grip similar to that even tho my middle ring and pinky are kinda more straight out. i shot just a little bit ago and my first group was about 4 inches and it got larger from there i didnt shot that much but i realize i need all the practice i can get. i dont shot more then about 15-20 arrows per night as i have been advised it might help me shot better.
thank you again i was told to try to shot at 50 yards and that will make my 40 yds easier. i only want a 3 pins on my sight and i dont have a straight flat place to shot a clean 50 yards. i will try 35 tommorow for sure i never thought of that. its worth a try,maybe then like you said i can work up to 40. i want to be confident in a 40 yard shot this year if i can get there.... im gunna try.
thanks alot. i do have a grip similar to that even tho my middle ring and pinky are kinda more straight out. i shot just a little bit ago and my first group was about 4 inches and it got larger from there i didnt shot that much but i realize i need all the practice i can get. i dont shot more then about 15-20 arrows per night as i have been advised it might help me shot better.
thank you again i was told to try to shot at 50 yards and that will make my 40 yds easier. i only want a 3 pins on my sight and i dont have a straight flat place to shot a clean 50 yards. i will try 35 tommorow for sure i never thought of that. its worth a try,maybe then like you said i can work up to 40. i want to be confident in a 40 yard shot this year if i can get there.... im gunna try.