I aint sayin it hasent happend, mabey I was a little bit b%$*hy in my last post.I do apoligize .I just know several people with the General who shoot regularly with me and are not having a problem. I doubt it is a design problem. Mabey a batch problem, Mabey it was pressed wrong for some reason prior to purchase, coulda left it in a hot trunk all day in the sun. Might even been the devil who shoots a Hoyt....
You just cant base quality of a product based on a couple of lemons. If that were the case ive heard stories of Mathews, PSE, Hoyt, Bear, Pearson, Martin, Diamond, Bowtech, and everyone else's limbs cracking,or whatever so should I not buy an x-force or Katera? Now I realy think if there was a consistant problem there would be some kinda recall.

Nah. It kinda skeedaddled past my ankles and I didn't see it. [8D] There's one with a kinda similar name up there, but if he's that far off on the name of the joint, it does make other facts of the story suspect.

It's not like it's a household word/name.

I most likely will be near there at some point this year, If it costs me nothing and it would almost have to pay me something, I might just stop in there and have a chin wag with the owner. If for no other reason than to accurately score the participants here.

Cool link Thanks.

So I asked google, this is it's page. Scrool to the bottom, it's Bowtecs link. It reads something like "a minumum of 5 grns.".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS240US240&sa=X &oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1& amp;q=Recommended+arrow+weight+for+a+bowtech+Gener al&spell=1

Anybody from Bowtec care to chime in?

Minimum of 5 grains per pound. MINI-flippin'-NUM!!! Again, that's what they warranty their bows to.

Do you see anywhere on there a single place where they RECOMMEND that you shoot 5 grains per pound arrows? NO!

DO NOT be confusing warranty minimum arrow weights with recommended arrow weights. Warranty minimums is as low as you can go and the company will warrant the bow. What the warranty means is, "This is as stupid as we'll let you be and still pay to repair damage caused by your abuse."

A warranty is not and never has been a recommendation. I hope I've repeated that enough now.

That AMO chart I gave the link to is the industry's RECOMMENDATION for minimum arrow weights. Speed freaks will say it's been some years since it was amended last time, and that's true. Which means it has not been superceded, is still the industry approved minimums and, even as conservative as many will consider them to be, the recommendations still apply.

Did we forget the limbs breaking on all the new Matthews DXT bows this past yr. Everyone freaking out runnning that the sky is falling. I'm sure there are a few lemons out there & the rarity of bows exploding, due to misuse, vs build issues. It's no different than buying a particular model of a car. If you look up reviews, some people condemn the manufacturer & the model. While others lovem & think the're the best thing since sliced bread. I remember there was a problem floating around w/the Ally's when they came out. I believe it had to do w/cams leaning. Any way, there will always be problems, just check your bow over to make sure everything is in it's place, & secure. Of course I can sleep at night because I have the only perfect bow the Bowtech ever made, The TRIBUTE.

Come on Arthur, If it was so important and I think to the manufacturer it would be since it's their name and dime it should be clearly and loudly stated. Pse used to do it, 6grns min. was their requirement for coverage. Many bows were setup just that way.

It might just mean (AMO) that it no longer carries any clout except with old timers.Imight have to look into the history of it.

I understand the words "code" and "minimum". As a builder I've often sold my services by stating to the prospective customer that the code many say they follow, is the minimum requirements to get by, is that what you want? This in no way means the house will collapse if it is all that's done. Your saying the house will. If that's the case I think the bow industry better study the tobbaco industry to see how their going to end up. Maybe they should put warning labels on them stating "Shooting this bow with an arrow under the weight of Xgrns. is hazardous to your health."

Check out this download of the 2008 Bowtecs. They stand squarly behind a shooters choice to shoot the min. coverage. Fastest bows on the planet! The little disclaimer at the end is cute. If you buy their bow your agreeing to not hold them liable. I really think a little study of the tobacco industry is in order.

Dead horse beater JK

If you'll recall fairly recent history, nodog, bow companies were pretty much forced into warranting their bows to 5 gpp because their idiot marketing people were advertising IBO speeds at 5 gpp. If they had their druthers, I'm sure they'd much rather still have their warranties at 6 gpp...

Except for those guys at HCA who are playing with fire and trying to reclaim some market share at 3 gpp.


If you'll look at the actual AMO specifications for testing bow speed, ASTM 1544-99, you'll find they have two arrow weights, the old standard and a new light standard. 60 lb draw, 30" draw length, 8 gpp for the standard, 60 lbs, 30" and 6 gpp for the light standard. They introduced the light standard in 1999 and, if the marketers had advertised speeds according to AMO specs, warranties would still be at 6 gpp.

Problem is, they couldn't really fluff up the 'wow' factor at 60 lbs and 6 gpp, could they.

As for only old timers caring about AMO guidelines... Probably so. We seem to be the only ones who recall they even exist. Young pups think the only outfit that sets minimum arrow weights is IBO. All in the world IBO did was make a tournament rule to make their tournaments safer. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a tournament rule. No regard to bow performance, function or longevity. Those of us who were around in 1988 remember it quite well. They just made the rule to put enough arrow weight on a bow... to keep the speed idiots from using way too light arrows and keep their bows from blowing up and hurting people.

Even IBO is on record, disclaiming the vaunted "IBO speed" and the so-called "IBO standard". They have absolutely nothing to do with it. They never ever did have anything to do with it. It was dreamed up @ 1990 by the marketing people at, I think, PSE - taking a bit of IBO's rule book and combining it with a bit of the AMO standards - and it eventually spread throughout the industry. To culminate a few years ago in the manufacturers being forced by popular opinion that their warranties should match their advertising claptrap.

Now that's the way warranties at 5 gpp happened. No research. No science. No testing. No R&D. Just advertising. Oddly enough, bow prices increased by about 25% across the board along with the new warranties. Like you said, it's their dime. They had to raise prices to cover the increase in warranty work/replacement.

Now you should be up to speed.

That's a real sign of old age.They can tell you what happened fifty years ago as clear as day, buttodays another story.

A couple paragraphs is just a tease, time and further reading will tell the tale.

Always a pleasure!

And youngsters can't accept anything that doesn't fit concisely into their idealized view of the world.

Have a happy.