Spiral Cam & 1/2
01-15-2003, 01:36 PM
#11
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Chardon Ohio USA
Posts: 28
RE: Spiral Cam & 1/2
Fletch....Behave yourself or I'll take your Supertec away for a week..:^) Seriously, there is a post on here I can't understand. It's this one.
I couldn't tell you, I tried to draw one of the Supertec's back and could not break the cams over! These must be some aggressive cams, I can normally draw a 29 inch bow at 70 lbs. I wouldn't want to shoot one for any amount of time, but I can normally draw them back without losing a testical. This one would not budge.
You've got to be kidding me....right???!!!!
I honestly don't think the regular cam and a half draws as nice as the versa cam did.
The versacam is a single cam, there is NO WAY it is smoother than the cam&1/2 or the Spiral....NO WAY.. and I sell them, so I'm pulling them back all the time. I used to shoot a Mathews Zmax...radical solocam...it's in the closet now, the Razortec took over....why??? Because of the smooth draw....like a dual cam.
Paul....are you sure it was the cam&1/2 you were trying to pull back??? Your post is the FIRST on many boards that have ever stated that the versacam was smoother.
:^)
maco12
I couldn't tell you, I tried to draw one of the Supertec's back and could not break the cams over! These must be some aggressive cams, I can normally draw a 29 inch bow at 70 lbs. I wouldn't want to shoot one for any amount of time, but I can normally draw them back without losing a testical. This one would not budge.
You've got to be kidding me....right???!!!!
I honestly don't think the regular cam and a half draws as nice as the versa cam did.
The versacam is a single cam, there is NO WAY it is smoother than the cam&1/2 or the Spiral....NO WAY.. and I sell them, so I'm pulling them back all the time. I used to shoot a Mathews Zmax...radical solocam...it's in the closet now, the Razortec took over....why??? Because of the smooth draw....like a dual cam.
Paul....are you sure it was the cam&1/2 you were trying to pull back??? Your post is the FIRST on many boards that have ever stated that the versacam was smoother.
:^)
maco12
01-15-2003, 02:40 PM
#12
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blissfield MI USA
Posts: 5,293
RE: Spiral Cam & 1/2
If I was kidding I would not have said it! I am small, I draw around 26 inches, but you can never find a bow in a shop that way. Most are set up for 29 inches, and most have 60 to 70 lb limbs on them. I have grown pretty used to drawing any bow back at these specs. Some are not bad at all, some are sort of a struggle. This one would not break over. My martin cheetah is the same way, at 70 lbs it almost kills me to draw it, My darton is a piece of cake.
And yes I know the difference between the versa cam and the new cam and a half. They look quite different from each other, as does the spiral cam. And I did say that's how it felt to ME, not someone else. I personally don't like the way two cams draw at all though. And I actually looked at two side by side, I am not comparing it to what I looked at last year. They had a Cybertec with both the versa, and the new cam sitting right next to each other. I drew one, then drew the other. I liked the versa cam better. And every one griping about the cam and half being a copy of the CPS, well I own one and see very few simularities. The basic concept is the same, but from there the cam and a half is quite different in feel(to me) and design.
Maybe we don't agree on the deffinition for smooth. I am talking about something that is easy to draw. And the supertech ain't it, I don't care if you sell them or not. The Ultra 2 by mathews and the Parker Force Multiplier are both much easier to draw. Maybe if you are big it is harder to tell, but for someone little it is very obvious.
I still love the bows, I just like the versa cam better. That is my opinion. If you don't agree with it, that is fine.
Paul
And yes I know the difference between the versa cam and the new cam and a half. They look quite different from each other, as does the spiral cam. And I did say that's how it felt to ME, not someone else. I personally don't like the way two cams draw at all though. And I actually looked at two side by side, I am not comparing it to what I looked at last year. They had a Cybertec with both the versa, and the new cam sitting right next to each other. I drew one, then drew the other. I liked the versa cam better. And every one griping about the cam and half being a copy of the CPS, well I own one and see very few simularities. The basic concept is the same, but from there the cam and a half is quite different in feel(to me) and design.
Maybe we don't agree on the deffinition for smooth. I am talking about something that is easy to draw. And the supertech ain't it, I don't care if you sell them or not. The Ultra 2 by mathews and the Parker Force Multiplier are both much easier to draw. Maybe if you are big it is harder to tell, but for someone little it is very obvious.
I still love the bows, I just like the versa cam better. That is my opinion. If you don't agree with it, that is fine.
Paul
01-15-2003, 07:55 PM
#13
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Chardon Ohio USA
Posts: 28
RE: Spiral Cam & 1/2
Paul...Whoa..hold on...Didn't mean to get your hair up. All I'm saying is that a dual cam doesn't have the "breakover" that a single does...period. The Spiral is radical, but again it has two cams, so it doesn't have the breakover like a solocam. However, as you stated..it's how it felt to you. I agree with the Darton -vs- Hoyt thing...the theory is the same, but the cams comparison doesn't hold water.
Any way, didn't mean to upset you...if I did I apologize.
maco12
Any way, didn't mean to upset you...if I did I apologize.
maco12
01-16-2003, 05:50 AM
#14
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Lehigh County PA USA
Posts: 12,157
RE: Spiral Cam & 1/2
Just to add a little bit from my post above. I did draw the Supertec Spiral against the Patriot DC and the Spiral Cam has somewhat of a smoother draw cycle. Both the early transition to peak draw weight and the transition into the valley are somewhat smoother at least in my opinion.
01-16-2003, 03:02 PM
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blissfield MI USA
Posts: 5,293
RE: Spiral Cam & 1/2
I guess I sounded more miffed than I actually was. You said you were confused about it, so I clarified it.
But you did sort of make me sound like a wuss because I could not draw that bow back. Not everyone in archery is a 6 foot he-man trying to draw the most poundage they possibly can. I am sure if I aimed it at the floor and yanked on it like I was starting a lawn mower it would have rolled over. If I can't hold it out in front of me and draw it straight back I put it back on the rack. I am sure being a shop owner you have seen someone creep a little and get the string ripped out of their hand. I don't want to be that person. Like I said though, most bows with that configuration I can manage. Maybe I will go back and have them turn the poundage down on one so I can see what it feels like, but by these discriptions I doubt I will like it.
Like I said, I am obviously confused on the term "smooth". If you are talking about a cam that has very little noticable peak to it and a low let off, that's not what I meant. Those are the cams I don't like. I like cams that build up and then drop down into a higher let off. They are easier for me to draw and hold. I consider a smooth bow one that is easier to draw at a higher poundage, maybe I am wrong.
I will also admit that the cam and a half does feel a lot more like a two cam than conventional solo's. Maybe that is why I like the versa cam better. That's just the draw cycle I am used to and prefere. It was a lot closer to the darton that I currently shoot, so it felt right to me. Now this used martin cheetah I just got with the dual cams and low let off just feels wrong, I don't like it at all. Nothing wrong with the bow, just don't like the way it feels. Thank God for technology.
Don't ever worry about offending me. If you do I will flat out say so, or just won't bother commenting at all. I just wanted you to know what my reasoning behind the comments were. No need for an apology, but I accept it just the same. And in counter I will say that I did not mean anything by the comment about not caring if you sold them or not. I was not implying that you were a hack shop owner.
Maybe I should save my smart ass comments for after I have actually drawn one back and shot it<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> (That's what you meant to say, isn't it, and you would have been right in saying it.)
Good luck,
Paul
But you did sort of make me sound like a wuss because I could not draw that bow back. Not everyone in archery is a 6 foot he-man trying to draw the most poundage they possibly can. I am sure if I aimed it at the floor and yanked on it like I was starting a lawn mower it would have rolled over. If I can't hold it out in front of me and draw it straight back I put it back on the rack. I am sure being a shop owner you have seen someone creep a little and get the string ripped out of their hand. I don't want to be that person. Like I said though, most bows with that configuration I can manage. Maybe I will go back and have them turn the poundage down on one so I can see what it feels like, but by these discriptions I doubt I will like it.
Like I said, I am obviously confused on the term "smooth". If you are talking about a cam that has very little noticable peak to it and a low let off, that's not what I meant. Those are the cams I don't like. I like cams that build up and then drop down into a higher let off. They are easier for me to draw and hold. I consider a smooth bow one that is easier to draw at a higher poundage, maybe I am wrong.
I will also admit that the cam and a half does feel a lot more like a two cam than conventional solo's. Maybe that is why I like the versa cam better. That's just the draw cycle I am used to and prefere. It was a lot closer to the darton that I currently shoot, so it felt right to me. Now this used martin cheetah I just got with the dual cams and low let off just feels wrong, I don't like it at all. Nothing wrong with the bow, just don't like the way it feels. Thank God for technology.
Don't ever worry about offending me. If you do I will flat out say so, or just won't bother commenting at all. I just wanted you to know what my reasoning behind the comments were. No need for an apology, but I accept it just the same. And in counter I will say that I did not mean anything by the comment about not caring if you sold them or not. I was not implying that you were a hack shop owner.
Maybe I should save my smart ass comments for after I have actually drawn one back and shot it<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> (That's what you meant to say, isn't it, and you would have been right in saying it.)
Good luck,
Paul
