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Ordered bow with wrong draw weight.
I recently ordered a Guide series huneter bowtech bow from gander mountain. I wanted 70 pound draw but I got a 60 pound. I love the bow and archery season is one week away and I want to use it this season. What do I need to do to change the weight of the bow to 70 pounds and how costly would it be?
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RE: Ordered bow with wrong draw weight.
I'd wait til after the season... 60lb will take down any deer you can find... as long as your groups are accurate, stick it out... you're only missing out on a few fps... iirc, all you're gonna need is a different set of limbs... call gander and get 'em ordered now so they are here by the time you fill your tags...
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What do I need to do to change the weight of the bow to 70 pounds and how costly would it be? |
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More importantly, a 70 lb bow requires different arrows than a 60 lb bow does. If the arrow are a perfect match for your 60 lber, they won't be for the 70 lb bow. That said, very few people shoot arrows that are perfectly matched, and many still manage to take deer. However, it is something to think about.
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Not only is 60# enough for any deer, it's enough for any critter walking this continent.
Using a correctly spined arrow for each weight means there is little or any speed gain between 60# and 70#. Usually over time the only "speed" you're likely to notice is how fsat your shoulders deteriorate. Most young guys would argue this, but some of the older guyswill agree that it takes a little more intelligence to leave your testosterone at home. The reason we know this is because we been there and done that---and paying the price in pain pills today, and surgeries. |
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First crank it down. Many are not what they claim and often more. Second, the strings can be manipulated so the bow will pull 90 pounds if you want. Don't know if I would do it on purpose though. A longer string is all that's needed.
Just ship me the bow, call it a life lesson and get the right one.:D |
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Most bows can exceed the max poundage with little more than a twist on the string and cables. Your bow could be shooting a poundage above 60# with some simple adjustments. But the above advice is true 60# can take down most every big game animal with a well placed broadhead.
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I agree with everybody i would stick to 60lbs thats what my nex bow will be
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Personally 60 pounds is a toy for me. If you want more there's no reason not to get it. I really don't understand why people give the advise, "you don't need more" as if it's a bad thing.
I lied. I do understand. |
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Order the heavier DW limbs if you want them. I'm not sure why people need to give their $.02 instead of just answering a person's question every time someone asks about what to do to increase DW. Furthermore, why do people always claim it's some sort of testosterone fueled, or macho,reasonthat a person wants to shoot 70#'s?
For as much preaching as some of the guys do about momentum and such why wouldn't you want the rig that produces the highest amount? Sure, when you switch to a higher DW you usually increase arrow weight.As a result,isn't that a good thing that you can shoot a heavier arrow at the same speed as a lighter one? Am I missing something here? I'd rather have the extra momentum and KE if a good shot turns bad. There are still a lot of guys in their 50's, and probably older,that shoot 70 lbs with no ill effects. |
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Go ahead and order your new limbs to achieve the draw weight you want.
Most of the guys on this website that have 9000+ years of experience and have shoulder injuries speak of staying with a lower poundage bow. What you need to learn from these guys is that most of them are injuried because they never learned the proper way to pull back a higher poundage bow or....they went beyond what felt comfortable and did not listen to what their bodies were telling them. If you can pull it properly and comfortably, then shoot it! I agree with whoever said a 60lb bow feels like a toy. I know for my personal use, I lock into my form better with a higher poundage drawing bow. I agree with Dave, I would want the higher KE if a good shot goes bad. It almost boils down to an ethical issue. Do I want a bow that puts an arrow 6" into the foam block or a bow that puts an arrow 10" into the foam block. Think what happens if that foam block becomes a deers shoulder. As for the comment saying that a 60lb bow will take down anything on this continent....well...so will a .22 rifle. But do people hunt elk and caribbou with a .22 rifle? I should hope not. A .22 rifle is not as effective (range and knock down power) as a .30-06. Same thing with a 60lb bow IMO. It's funny,I never hear of people saying...you should be shooting a 70lb bow instead of a 60lb bow. Yet you quite often hear the reverse. It's almost amusing at times. |
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Bows and guns are different weapons that kill in different ways.A 60 pound bow shoots right with a 70 if everything is set "equally".
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ORIGINAL: jsasker Bows and guns are different weapons that kill in different ways.A 60 pound bow shoots right with a 70 if everything is set "equally". A 60 lb bow does not shoot the same as a 70 lb bow and will not equal the performance period. The whole reason you buy the 70 lb bow is not to be equal but to gain something. If you use the same arrow the 70 lb bow is faster. If you increase arrow weight to have the speed the same the 70 lb bow has more KE and momentum. There just isn't any equality between the 2 weapons. example, Person 1 says that he shoots a 60 lb bow with a 1,000 grain arrow at 200 fps to gain momentum Person 2 can shoot that same arrow at 210+ fps. Or, he can shoot a 1,100 grain arrow at the same speed as the guy with the 60 lb bow. You gain performance with the higher DW. Also, the thought that you have to use a heavier arrow for the higher DW and therefore negate the speed increase is just not true. At 65 lbI shot a 391 gr arrow 282 (chronographed) At 72 lb I shoot a 431 gr arrow 292 (chronographed) That's a 10 fps gain with an arrow that weighs 40 grains more. I've increased speed, KE, & momentum. |
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Have you tried a 300gr with a 60 and a 350 with a 70?I'm saying a 60 pounder will shoot very comparable with the 70 when you compensate arrow weight you should be getting pretty close to the same speed--is that good enuf for ya davey?I didn't not say anything about k.e.--don't read between the lines.
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ORIGINAL: MDBUCKHUNTER Go ahead and order your new limbs to achieve the draw weight you want. Most of the guys on this website that have 9000+ years of experience and have shoulder injuries speak of staying with a lower poundage bow. What you need to learn from these guys is that most of them are injuried because they never learned the proper way to pull back a higher poundage bow or....they went beyond what felt comfortable and did not listen to what their bodies were telling them. If you can pull it properly and comfortably, then shoot it! I agree with whoever said a 60lb bow feels like a toy. I know for my personal use, I lock into my form better with a higher poundage drawing bow. I agree with Dave, I would want the higher KE if a good shot goes bad. It almost boils down to an ethical issue. Do I want a bow that puts an arrow 6" into the foam block or a bow that puts an arrow 10" into the foam block. Think what happens if that foam block becomes a deers shoulder. As for the comment saying that a 60lb bow will take down anything on this continent....well...so will a .22 rifle. But do people hunt elk and caribbou with a .22 rifle? I should hope not. A .22 rifle is not as effective (range and knock down power) as a .30-06. Same thing with a 60lb bow IMO. It's funny,I never hear of people saying...you should be shooting a 70lb bow instead of a 60lb bow. Yet you quite often hear the reverse. It's almost amusing at times. Why is your example using a 22 and a 30-06? If you were to use the example of a 30-06 on the low end (60# bow)and a 338 (70# bow), then both can effectively take a caribou. Maybe a BB gun and a 17 hmr should be the example and neither is good enough. That being said, I do agree that they are not the same and their is a difference in performance. I only disagree that you are comparing a 60# bow to a 22lr on caribou |
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ORIGINAL: jsasker Have you tried a 300gr with a 60 and a 350 with a 70? |
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ORIGINAL: jsasker Have you tried a 300gr with a 60 and a 350 with a 70?I'm saying a 60 pounder will shoot very comparable with the 70 when you compensate arrow weight you should be getting pretty close to the same speed--is that good enuf for ya davey?I didn't not say anything about k.e.--don't read between the lines. |
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ORIGINAL: DannyD ORIGINAL: MDBUCKHUNTER Go ahead and order your new limbs to achieve the draw weight you want. Most of the guys on this website that have 9000+ years of experience and have shoulder injuries speak of staying with a lower poundage bow. What you need to learn from these guys is that most of them are injuried because they never learned the proper way to pull back a higher poundage bow or....they went beyond what felt comfortable and did not listen to what their bodies were telling them. If you can pull it properly and comfortably, then shoot it! I agree with whoever said a 60lb bow feels like a toy. I know for my personal use, I lock into my form better with a higher poundage drawing bow. I agree with Dave, I would want the higher KE if a good shot goes bad. It almost boils down to an ethical issue. Do I want a bow that puts an arrow 6" into the foam block or a bow that puts an arrow 10" into the foam block. Think what happens if that foam block becomes a deers shoulder. As for the comment saying that a 60lb bow will take down anything on this continent....well...so will a .22 rifle. But do people hunt elk and caribbou with a .22 rifle? I should hope not. A .22 rifle is not as effective (range and knock down power) as a .30-06. Same thing with a 60lb bow IMO. It's funny,I never hear of people saying...you should be shooting a 70lb bow instead of a 60lb bow. Yet you quite often hear the reverse. It's almost amusing at times. Why is your example using a 22 and a 30-06? If you were to use the example of a 30-06 on the low end (60# bow)and a 338 (70# bow), then both can effectively take a caribou. Maybe a BB gun and a 17 hmr should be the example and neither is good enough. That being said, I do agree that they are not the same and their is a difference in performance. I only disagree that you are comparing a 60# bow to a 22lr on caribou |
RE: Ordered bow with wrong draw weight.
ORIGINAL: jsasker Have you tried a 300gr with a 60 and a 350 with a 70?I'm saying a 60 pounder will shoot very comparable with the 70 when you compensate arrow weight you should be getting pretty close to the same speed--is that good enuf for ya davey?I didn't not say anything about k.e.--don't read between the lines. |
RE: Ordered bow with wrong draw weight.
ORIGINAL: jsasker Have you tried a 300gr with a 60 and a 350 with a 70?I'm saying a 60 pounder will shoot very comparable with the 70 when you compensate arrow weight you should be getting pretty close to the same speed--is that good enuf for ya davey?I didn't not say anything about k.e.--don't read between the lines. You are using a very light set-up to try and make a comparison that just doesn't compare. Even if the speed is close the momentum is not and you will not getthe same performance. You are using a target shooter's mentality here.I didn't read between anything. i'm just tired of hearing people say that there are equal when they are not. Sure, you can get the speed the same but you have to increase arrow weight substantially to do so. as a result you are increasing other factors that help to anchor an animal. Overlooked is the fact that for normal hunting arrow weights you can get an arrow that would weigh the same with a stiffer spine and shoot faster. is that good enough for yah? |
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ORIGINAL: MDBUCKHUNTER ORIGINAL: DannyD ORIGINAL: MDBUCKHUNTER Go ahead and order your new limbs to achieve the draw weight you want. Most of the guys on this website that have 9000+ years of experience and have shoulder injuries speak of staying with a lower poundage bow. What you need to learn from these guys is that most of them are injuried because they never learned the proper way to pull back a higher poundage bow or....they went beyond what felt comfortable and did not listen to what their bodies were telling them. If you can pull it properly and comfortably, then shoot it! I agree with whoever said a 60lb bow feels like a toy. I know for my personal use, I lock into my form better with a higher poundage drawing bow. I agree with Dave, I would want the higher KE if a good shot goes bad. It almost boils down to an ethical issue. Do I want a bow that puts an arrow 6" into the foam block or a bow that puts an arrow 10" into the foam block. Think what happens if that foam block becomes a deers shoulder. As for the comment saying that a 60lb bow will take down anything on this continent....well...so will a .22 rifle. But do people hunt elk and caribbou with a .22 rifle? I should hope not. A .22 rifle is not as effective (range and knock down power) as a .30-06. Same thing with a 60lb bow IMO. It's funny,I never hear of people saying...you should be shooting a 70lb bow instead of a 60lb bow. Yet you quite often hear the reverse. It's almost amusing at times. Why is your example using a 22 and a 30-06? If you were to use the example of a 30-06 on the low end (60# bow)and a 338 (70# bow), then both can effectively take a caribou. Maybe a BB gun and a 17 hmr should be the example and neither is good enough. That being said, I do agree that they are not the same and their is a difference in performance. I only disagree that you are comparing a 60# bow to a 22lr on caribou I hear ya MD.Using a 22lr on carribou is unethical and probably illegal. Comparing a 60# bow to a 22 in your example is a bit unfair IMO. |
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josh,
johnny is using the typical bate and switch routine that is common for people use when they have no point really. Why would we ever want to talk about KE, momentum or penetration when it comes to arrows? Why josh? There simply is no equality between a 60# and a 70# bow. You make one thing equal you change something else that makes the 70# bow better. |
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Daved38,go ahead and buy a 70 pound bow--it's your money and your decision.
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Davey,Davey,
I wonder how all of the women and children hunt when they can't draw a 70 pound bow--they must be superior archers!You gonna tell me a 70 is was is needed to hunt?says who?you?Why isn't 80lbs the standard?Surely it would put the 70 to shame correct? |
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johnny johnny,
Again with the 2 step hustle. First it's speed, now this. trying to make me out to be the egomaniac whe nyou are the one making the comments that jsut aren't factual. Ethically, we should shoot the highest poundage that we can draw comfortably. wheterh it's 45 lbs or 100 lbs. Just because someone is not physically capable of doing so doesn't mean they should tell others they shouldn't. My bow goes up to 75#'s and I shoot it at 75#'s. however, I'm a physical specimin though who's been lifting weights most of my life. 6'3" tall 195 lbs of blue twisted steel. I'd shoot a 200# bow if i could get my hands on one. |
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A person can twist scenarios all day long--it's been very educational!Thanks dave.
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ORIGINAL: davepjr71 johnny johnny, Again with the 2 step hustle. First it's speed, now this. trying to make me out to be the egomaniac whe nyou are the one making the comments that jsut aren't factual. Ethically, we should shoot the highest poundage that we can draw comfortably. wheterh it's 45 lbs or 100 lbs. Just because someone is not physically capable of doing so doesn't mean they should tell others they shouldn't. My bow goes up to 75#'s and I shoot it at 75#'s. however, I'm a physical specimin though who's been lifting weights most of my life. 6'3" tall 195 lbs of blue twisted steel. I'd shoot a 200# bow if i could get my hands on one. |
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I see Dave has 1 fan[X(]
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I think it is funny because Dave is reading you like an open book.
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john,
The 195 lb of blue twisted steel is a Tred Barta quote to lighten the mood. My point is that ethically you should shoot with the highest poundage you can draw. Heck, we could use a string tiedon a tree branch and shoot a broadhead into a deer. Is that ethical, no.Will it kill a deer, sure. Bows have been advanced toaid in our ability to kill a deer as humanely as possible and I think we should use that to our advantage. If it made a 60# bow perform like a 70# in the past why not use a 70# that performs like a 80# in the past.It's all about ethics in my eyes. Why try and stay at the bottom if you can stay at the top?I could kill a deer with a 45# bow but feel more comfortable that I'mdoing my best by using 70#. Am I saying that a person that uses a 45# is unethical? Not at all. That person is hunting with the highest draw weight they can comfortably pull andI hope staying within their effective range for that equipment. It's not their fault they are not physically capable of pulling more.I applaud reading about a woman that works out and shoots a lot so that they can pull a 50# or even 55# bow. She's trying to be as lethal as possible. |
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So because I shoot a 49# recurve am I an unethical hunter? I can draw back quite a bit more. I'm 6'2" and 200lbs. My compound is at 62#s. I can and have comfortably drawn an 80# bow. Am I inhumane for my choice to shoot a lighter DW bow? I recently changed limbs on my bow. Went from 70# limbs set at 65# to 60# limbs bottomed out at 62#. I shoot the same arrow 2fps slower.
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ORIGINAL: jsasker ;).Where did you get the puppet(mdbowhunter)?:D |
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Bowhunters are a passionate bunch.
What I don't like is other people analyzing the situation without using all the facts. In otherwords, comparing A to B but B has to have a disadvantage. Thus making A and B equal. I also don't like people assuming things. Nobody knows the real reason why this guy wanted 70lb limbs. Yet you seem to be trying to talk him out of it. It just makes no sense. |
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman ORIGINAL: jsasker ;).Where did you get the puppet(mdbowhunter)?:D |
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ORIGINAL: jsasker A 60 pound bow shoots right with a 70 if everything is set "equally". Makes no sense. Why would you ever compare the two. |
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ORIGINAL: jsasker Mdbow/buckhunter, Starting out by saying "maybe" gets me off the hook as far as anything i said being etched in stone--sorry for the confusion big guy. |
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman So because I shoot a 49# recurve am I an unethical hunter? I can draw back quite a bit more. I'm 6'2" and 200lbs. My compound is at 62#s. I can and have comfortably drawn an 80# bow. Am I inhumane for my choice to shoot a lighter DW bow? I recently changed limbs on my bow. Went from 70# limbs set at 65# to 60# limbs bottomed out at 62#. I shoot the same arrow 2fps slower. 65# and 62# are basically the same. I'm not sure of the point here. What was the difference with the 70# compared to the 62#? My point was that everyone jumps on someone that shoots a 70# bow like he's an ego maniac and a lunatic.I can find article after article from reputable people that state that while the lower poundage bows are more efficient then in the past you should shoot the highest weight you can comfortably pull. i never see anyone talking about that. just that some guy shot an elk with 55# bow so why do people need more. There is way too much pier pressure on here with people telling people they are over bowed shooting at 70#'s. I've never heard suck junk in my life untilI came on here and to be honest it makes me just shake my head. It's almost like people are trying to prove they are more manly by shooting the lightest gear they can. Pretty soon you are going to have guys telling everyone on here that you should use 35# bows because 45# is just way too much. |
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The difference between 70# and 62# was 9fps. How much of a difference in KE is that? Not enough to matter. Besides, who measures KE at point of impact? Most folks I know get speed through a chrono at 6 ft. Not 20 yds. I'm very curious about the measurments in KE I would get out there with the difference between 70 and 62.
Also Dave I don't agree with your assessment of my ethics at all. A 49# recurve is more than ethical IMO. It is capable of making a quick, clean kill. That TO ME is ethical. |
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KE& monetum are maintained longer with a heavier arrow. Therefore, at a greater distance the heavier arrow out of the higher DW bow would have an even wider margin of increased KE & momentum. You can calculate what the KE and momentum would be at any distanceby chronoing down range if needed.
I read a good article on this issue that I'll try and pull up from one of my 50 magazines sitting by my TV and post it if you are serious about getting an answer to what the difference would be at 20 yds? This is my opinion and mine alone. Does it meanI would think of you any diffrently no. We just have a dissagrement on that issue. I didn't speak my mind to start a fight and you asked me & I try to as honest to people as I can. The thing that matters most is howyou feel about what you shoot, not me. |
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I agree, and I am curious about the distance KE measurment. I am looking at this as a debate not an argument.
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