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muzzyman88 02-08-2007 08:00 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
OK, I lied, I"m back.:D

On my issue, still no word on limbs from Bowtech yet. Guess I was expecting a little too much outta them.;)

On the issue of spacers. I guess I wouldn't be too happy with that solution. Why? Well if the one cam didn't need a spacer, but one did, that would mean that the one limb/cam wasn't the same as theother. The spacer would be a band aid covering an issue IMO.

This is by no means a jab at Bowtech. I really like their bows and what they are doing. I can't reitterate that enough. However, I really wish they would design and build their bows with a little margin for error. Obviously, they are are so close in tolerance that any little error that comes along the production will show up in our hands. As in my case. I checked 2 Tributes and 2 Guardians at the shop so far and both of them were darn near perfect. None of them were even remotely close to touching a limb. If they would possibly build a little wiggle room in their design, maybe these little things wouldn't show up as much as they do.

As I said before, I have no doubt that the design itself is as good as anyone, its just the little things that seem to pop up with them.

On cam lean, I noticed alittle in my bow. However, I really feel too much is made about cam lean anyway. If its severe, thats one thing. But a little, which most of us know is inherent in almost all bows, doesn't make a bit of difference.

I truely hope the guys at Bowtech read this. I want them to be the best in the industry. I think they are truely innovative and a great company. The specs and feel of their bows is what I've been looking for. They just might have outgrown their britches a little in the past couple years.;) Which, is actually a good thing in many ways but in other not so.

Please, don't think about switching bows because of my issue. They'll fix it, I'm sure of that. I might have gotten a little big for my britches, but I'll learn.;)

gibblet 02-09-2007 07:09 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 

ORIGINAL: muzzyman88


On cam lean, I noticed alittle in my bow. However, I really feel too much is made about cam lean anyway. If its severe, thats one thing. But a little, which most of us know is inherent in almost all bows, doesn't make a bit of difference.

its not just about the lean - its about the left to right - or right to left travel of each cam from rest to full draw - and it absolutely makes a difference my friend.

oh, and thanks ampa - that's good info right there - shows they're on it.

i have the highest hopes for the new creations, commander and guardian, and what will follow. i think they've really done something special here, and i mean special- but i'm waiting. if perfected already, or when perfected - its the golden goose.

muzzyman88 02-09-2007 07:27 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
Hey Gibb, can you explain the cam lean affect to me? I'm not getting it.:D If the cam returns to the same place at brace when the arrow leaves the string, it wouldn't matter would it? I just never thought that it could make that big of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Please explain.

gibblet 02-09-2007 07:49 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 

ORIGINAL: muzzyman88

If the cam returns to the same place at brace when the arrow leaves the string, it wouldn't matter would it?
how straight a path did the string take? did it not move right to left, or viceversa w/ the cams?do you think that effects you nock, ordoes it maintain the ability to just go straight even though the string is not? the more movementyour cams have fromrest to full draw right to left - or vice versa - the more side to side movement your string has, and the more you miss left and right.

Woodrow88 02-09-2007 08:52 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
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I have been a Bowtech guy for a long time. I bought the new 07 ally and had nothing but problems. Cam lean so bad it went through two sets of limbs in 1000 shots. Bowtech kept saying it was a limb issue. After this sportsman’s warehouse tells me out of the first 11 bows they have received 7 have had to go back. I exchange the bow and in around 25 shots the new bow started to do the same thing on the top limb. I think bowtech has forgot what quality control means. I would steer clear of the bowtech 07 ally. I did not want to change bow companies but when I call bowtech and John tells me he is not surprised it is just probably some bad limbs they have had some issues. "Without any care at all" I said enough is enough..........
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DaveC 02-09-2007 09:44 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 

ORIGINAL: gibblet


ORIGINAL: muzzyman88

If the cam returns to the same place at brace when the arrow leaves the string, it wouldn't matter would it?
how straight a path did the string take? did it not move right to left, or viceversa w/ the cams?do you think that effects you nock, ordoes it maintain the ability to just go straight even though the string is not? the more movementyour cams have fromrest to full draw right to left - or vice versa - the more side to side movement your string has, and the more you miss left and right.
Alright Gibblet I'm following all of this as best I can but have to ask-
Will adding a nylon washer to ONE side of my cam on top & bottom not enhance the side to side effect you are describing?
Have you tried removing the nylon washer and then running the bow through the paces on your new machine?
If it was originally a limb issue and the band-aid was the washer, would a correct set of limbs sans extra washer shoot straighter?

I'm still at the crossroads (add shim or leave alone) and want to do the right thing, not make a tuning issue out of a minor issue.

Thoughts?

muzzyman88 02-09-2007 11:10 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
Just another update on my situation fellas.

Dealer called Bowtech today to get any info they can about my limbs. They shipped the limbs yesterday. No comment.;)

I guess as long as its right when they do come, thats all that matters. Man, I had that thing shooting fleas too.:( Oh well, guess I'll have some tinkering to do when its fixed up.:D

in da woods 02-09-2007 12:26 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
MM88, your pm file is full. I tried to pm u.

gibblet 02-09-2007 01:36 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
no dave, the spacer doesn't affect anything, and they're brand new limbs - i installed the spacers w/ the new limbs - so i wouldn't have to worry about it. if you remember, my issue wasn't the same as yours. my limb cap was rubbing into my cam. the spacer is backed at all points by the limb caps 'spacer' area, but doesn't allow the open edge of the cap to hit the cam any more - as it shouldn't.i understand there is something that is hard to accept here.

muzzyman88 02-09-2007 02:02 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
Gibb, where do you get those spacers at?


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