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DaveC 02-09-2007 03:30 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
"i understand there is something that is hard to accept here" not sure I follow you on that one. I'm in no sort of Bowtech perfection denial. I just want my bow as right as it can be.

Gibblet, OK, good to know it won't affect anything. Now, did you place a spacer on both sides of the cam or just the rubbing side?

I called my dealer (nice guy about our age) and asked his take. He hasn't seen this yet, but my call placed some concern in his voice since he said he has sold "a LOT" of Tibutes last year. He wants me to bring it by when I get the chance so he'll know what he's describing when he calls bowtech. I won't be able to get by there until mid next week.

He also felt the Guardian and Allegiance will outsell the Tribute this year since both bows offer something different. The Tribute has the same weight and speed as the Guardian for $50.00 less. He feels most people will opt for the newer technology at the higher price.

muzzyman88 02-09-2007 10:11 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 

He also felt the Guardian and Allegiance will outsell the Tribute this year since both bows offer something different.
My shop noticed that too. I too, am not in Bowtech Denial. They don't pay me, nor sponser me. So, If I find fault or wrong within reason, I will let everyone know.

Nothing I post is meant to degrade, only make better. I want them to be rival, dominant force in the industry. Which, I might add is happing everyday.;) However,I won't be ashamed to post that mine is not right and need corrected. Thats what this post was all about. Nothing more, nothing less.

gibblet 02-10-2007 03:55 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
got the spacers at the shop, and it only makes sense to put it on 1 side, i believe the flat side of the cam, but its the same side folks are having the limb rub.

Cougar Mag 02-10-2007 06:53 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
Read back to post #2 of this thread mentioning spacers. I may not be a tech guru but I've been around. Sometimes its hard being me.:D

DaveC 02-10-2007 09:58 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
Gibblet- Gotcha.

Cougar mag, will do and did. The 06 binary cammed bowtechs were never shipped with spacers between the limb and cam. I've had spacers on every other bow and flat wore a set out on my Mathews. But on the binary cammed Bowtech bows there was only a small air gap- no spacer- ever. And it's not like they forgot, they for some reason didn't see the need to put them in there.
I wonder if Elite , HCA or any other of the binary /trinary bows are using spacers where they should go?

walks with a gimp 02-10-2007 10:36 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
Hold on guys,, don't go putting spacers in without thinking. You could create more problems by doing so. On my '05 Allegiance, there are spacers from the factory installed but on my '06 Tribute there are none. It's due to the different cams on the '06 and the bearing races in them are wider than the outside thickness of the cams,, the way it's designed. It could be that when the bearings were pressed into the cam bores, they weren't seated correctly and not allowing the correct gap between the limb and the cam face. A better fix would be to have the bearings checked for proper depth in the bores instead of shimming the limb forks. These bows are built with very tight tolerances and sometimes if not ALL tolerances are not met, can cause clearance issues in a different area.

DaveC 02-10-2007 11:16 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
WWAG’s, sounds good to me. I’m just going to wait to see what my dealer thinks. Until now my Tribute always had the desired air gap on both sides of the cam. When this thread was posted I went and checked my bow to get that warm fuzzy feeling my "stuff" was still good. It was then that I noticedI no longer have an air gap on one side of each cam. The cam is rubbing the limbs end cap right near the axle. No big deal, but as you stated the bow was designedwithtight tolerances built in, they are no longer adding up 100% on my bow.

No big deal, it still shoots well, I just want it right.
Plus this will give me an excuse to drive over to the proshop and see what all the 2007 bows look like [8D]

walks with a gimp 02-10-2007 11:30 AM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
It might be such a thing that the bearings have "seated" to the right (on a right handed bow) and cause the string groove on the cam to move closer to the limb (to the left). If the bores in the cams are slightly oversize, in time and shooting the bow,, vibration might be enough to shift the bearings in the cams. You could remove the cams and check with a micrometer, the width of the bearing races as compared to the outside thickness of the cams. It might be helpful to press out the bearings and replace them with Loc Tite or replace them with new bearings and Loc Tite to the correct depth,,,,,, IF the measurements are off and allowing this condition;)

Cougar Mag 02-10-2007 07:16 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 
Why would any company want an "air" gap?

walks with a gimp 02-10-2007 11:41 PM

RE: 07 Allegiance Problem
 

ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag

Why would any company want an "air" gap?

I'm not sure where "air gap" came from but my Tribute looks to have about .025" to .030" of space between the inside surface of the limb and the cam at the outer circumfrence of the bow string track. I tried to push the cam over to make contact with the limb and it won't go,, mine's still good to go:D


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