I used to use a peep sight, but when it was dark or if I was in a blind near dark, I couldn't see out of it, and I was unable to attempt to take game because I couldn't see where the peep was, on my new fireflight, i removed the peep, and put a kisser button on it, can the kisser button be used by itself in place of a peep, will it be accurate enough, my neighbors do it this way, but it just didn't seem like it would be as accurate, thanks for any advice!

I wouldnt think it would be near as accurate without a peepas it would with a peep sight. The reason is because with a peep you can make sure everything lines up the same way everytime you shoot unless you can figure out how to line it up without one... If you have a kisser button and a peep sight on it and your bow it setup correctly, you shouldnt have a problem finding your peep sight in the dark- just pull your bow back, put the kisser in the side of your mouth and there you go-

I used a peep only setup on my old bow for years and had similar problems, although I attributed it more to "buck fever" then low light. This spring I got a new Tribute and changed my anchor point, so I added a eliminator button as a kisser just to help me find my new anchor point.

It's a great combination cause now I can draw with my eyes closed and when I feel that kisser I can open my eyes and my peep is where it's supposed to be. I also increased the diameter using the G5 Meta at 1/4" so I would have as much light transmission as possible. Right now I would say if I can't see it - then it's too dark to shoot!

I've got your answer! My husband has shot like this for years. If you have good form and get used to shooting this way, you can get to be just about as accurate as you were before. This will take practice!! It takes constant concentration. If he gets distracted or has a lot on his mind, he is ready to throw his bow in the trash as his groups will be larger. On a typical day he can group a 4 inch group at 40 yards. I have yet to say his form is correct. He has a few things he needs to work on, like an anchor point other than the kisser button, and making sure his left arm (he is right handed) is in the same position each time.
If you learn or have learned correct form, you can be just as accurate. But do not be discouraged when at first it looks like sheet music. Have a buddy watch your form to make sure you do everything the right way each time....or get someone to video tape you (get a side shot and one from the rear) as you shoot so that you can see for yourself any mistakes you might have made.
Best of luck!! I'd love to join the ones that shoot like this, but I am new to the sport and am still struggling with good form myself.

Although I have never used a kisser button on my personal bow I have tried it on plenty of my samples when I was a sales rep. I found then that I was able to hold 3" groups at 30 yards. This I would consider plenty accurate enough for most hunting situations. Actually, because my form is very consistent I can hold 3" groups at 30 yards with nothing on the string at all, relying purely on my anchor points. So I ask myself, "Why don't I shoot this way for hunting?" Old habits die hard and I need all the help that can be mustered. I also found that even with my old eyes if I can't see through a 1/4" peep then it's just too dark to be shooting in the first place.

So "yes" it can be done. You must have pretty consistent form for this. That means lots of practice before hunting season to familiarize yourself with the feel of it.

I think any accomplished shooter or one that shoots a lot of target or 3D year round would have an easier transition because their form is what it is and they have a very good idea of what the bow should feel like whether there is a peep in the string or not.

BGfisher...you said everything I was trying to say in a much better way. I'm not good with words.[8D]

Form and practice (year round)

This is actually what a kisser button is for. Your really shouldn't be using a kisser and a peep, they are redundant. You really only need one or the other. There is no question a peep is more accurate than a kisser, unless you have near perfect form. And if that is the case you really wouldn't need the kisser button. I shoot fairly well with out either, but I am much more accurate with a peep, especially at distances farther out than 30 yards.

This is also simular to what the No Peep does, it just does it in a different way. And is a bit more accurate in my opinion.

Paul

I have never used a peep! I tried and hated it!!!
Here is what I do! I use a kisser button, and I put some serving, or dental floss on the string at the height of my eye, and put a little "White Out" on the serving! I use the edge ofmy string, and the white out as my rear sight!!
It also helps if you put just enough serving on as your going to put on"White Out"! That way even in low light conditions, you can still see the little bump on your string!! I shoot 4" groups out to 40 yds!!!

I shot all summer without a peep. It took some practice, but I have it down now. 4 in. groups at 30 yards is no problem. I've shot a doe and a turkey this fall so far. You just have make sure you hit your anchors consistently and you'll be fine.

I went the more expensive route, and bought a hind sight peep eliminator, I think its pretty cool, not really compatable with the kisser or anything, well maybe it is, but it just seems very awkward trying to hold the cross hair over the dot with the kisser where it is now, maybe I just have to adjust it. But anyways, thanks for the replies everyone!