gibblet: Take a look at my prior post. I know nothing about string making. But I do serve strings and change them with no problem. Do you believe this could be a result if the knot situation that you mentioned in your post? The elongation in those strings that I mentioned really has me baffled. Thanks.

Gibblet,

I’m curious if you don’t pull 400 pounds on string because it’s your preferred method or is it that your equipment isn’t capable of doing it? Straight up question...will your equipment hold 400 pounds? From what I have been researching sounds like the 400 pound pull brings nothing negative to the table if you’re using the 452X. Since it takes out the break in period of the string, I see that as a good thing. That alone would eliminate many of the issues you brought up earlier.

As far as the 200 pounds hold weight on serving, I was under the impression that this is done so that when the serving is complete and the tension is backed down, the serving will then relax and be drawn tight against each wrap to help hold it in position. I’m not trying to step on any toes here…I want to learn how to do this stuff myself for future growth and knowledge of this industry. Just seems that 400 and 200 would be an all around good starting point. Relax!

bobco, i think that's exactly what's happening.

mildot, there is no real break-in period for 452x. i can make a string, walk in the other room, put it on the bow, put a peep in, and go, and its done

now, after going thru the mail and being relaxed for days, there is a very small break in period, maybe 20-30 shots. however, most experienced archers will not put in a peep or compete, or hunt - unless they've had an unplanned accident- until 200 shots are on the bow. the things some people do with a bow are very important to them, and they take no risks.

the reason someone would take a string to 400# after making it endless is because it allows them to be a bit sloppy when laying it out. its a method to equalize the tension on all the strands. i don't need to do it. i've never tried to get to 400#, but i believe my tensioner would. the new hhm serving machine you're referring to that will do it was designed with mike carter's help, for the way mike likes to build strings. the guy at hhm just says what mike says. he really doesn't know anything about making strings. there are a couple things mike and i do differently. i think my way is better. he thinks his is. that's how anything is. i get a lot of customers from him that didn'tlove his strings, and i'm sure he gets a lot of mine, that's how it is. he's a great guy. always helps me out when i need lengths or anything. helps me when i break my machine.i really likemike, andin my lay opinionhe builds very nice strings.who's way is better? its in the eye of the beholder. truthfully, 70-100# of tension is enough for 452x. using more helps squeeze the fibers together, seating them, and does what you say, which makes it not necessary to serve as tight. that way you can use paddles instead of a jig to serve. you can't get the serving to go on as tight with a paddle. i don't use paddles. hate them. mike uses paddles. i spool my thread off large 1 pound spools onto small ones and use a beiter winder. i can get the serving a whole lot tighter than with paddles. i think that way is better, but its more work. i don't care about that part. and i am getting antsy because you ought to try something, and see for yourself a bit, before declaring anything about any technique involved, and just saying what you heard as if it means anything. you're being a parrot.

now, in 2 weeks i may learn something new and change my mind about something i've said, it happens.

Been thinking... I would be interested in a yearly news letter with any updates/products/prices. I know it would be astretch (pun intended). Just a suggestion.Add my name to the mailing list if you would.

are you teasing me nodog. im sure i deserve it.

No joke. I'd be interested in an option to upgrade yearly, if there was a reason too.

Thanks gibblet.

IMHO anything over 200lb could shorten the life of the string, when you get upwards of 400lb you are putting a lot of undue stress on the string fibers which could lead to a very nasty failure.
I could be wrong but do I really want to take the chance I think not.

A smart parrot has a way to make a mouse talk and share his opinion in detail. Sometimes you have toactivate emotion to get more than one sentence out of you. Thanks for your help about string making, I will lump it up with all other info I have been collecting. I'm sure you both make a great product.

Material and warranty !!! LOL