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Hmmm...The only reason I tinkered w/ my BKII is because I wanted to, not because I had to.
The issues that were in vogue to gripe about so much in the past 6-8 years are no more an issue today than they are with the designs that were supposed to eliminate the "problem".... fact is the problem was not the cam system, but the string and cabling. That being said, I think the rise of the onecam was a good thing, as the trend brought us back from the sub 6" 35" bows that were coming out...comfort aspects became more important (lack of recoil, shock, noise, etc) than they had been in a few years. Now it's time to stir things up again in the industry. Get off the "I can do that too", and get on the " Look how mine is better!" train. JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Edited by - JeffB on 10/23/2002 13:47:46 Edited by - JeffB on 10/23/2002 13:50:05 |
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"fact is the problem was not the cam system, but the string and cabling."
That is a good point, maybe some discussion regarding the type of cam timing issues a fella would deal with in the case of a DC Patriot, would be helpful. Because with a one cam you shoot it in and for the most part you twist the cable and rotate the cam to proper position and you're good to go for a good bit. And so with the types of string and cable systems today how much more is it to set a dual cam and keep it good for a good bit? Doesn't seem like it would be such a big deal anymore. So you look at the DC Patriot performance #s and you think why not a two cam again? And then this little thought creeps in of wonder what the nock travel would look like.... Anyways you boys that know better maybe could chime in here with some comments, educate me a bit. Thanks. |
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"fact is the problem was not the cam system, but the string and cabling." That is a good point, maybe some discussion regarding the type of cam timing issues a fella would deal with in the case of a DC Patriot, would be helpful. Because with a one cam you shoot it in and for the most part you twist the cable and rotate the cam to proper position and you're good to go for a good bit. And so with the types of string and cable systems today how much more is it to set a dual cam and keep it good for a good bit? Doesn't seem like it would be such a big deal anymore. So you look at the DC Patriot performance #s and you think why not a two cam again? And then this little thought creeps in of wonder what the nock travel would look like.... Anyways you boys that know better maybe could chime in here with some comments, educate me a bit. Thanks. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> I'm not real certain exactly what you're asking but I'll try. What I think JeffB was saying is with a lot of todays string and cable materials and methods used to build a good system won't effect the tuning of a Dual much or any more than a single cam bow. The 2003 Duallys are also going to have cable tuners on them that will make timing and fine tuning them much easier. What do you mean about the nock travel though? You lost me there... Auise-guy did ask about cable slide travel if that's what you're reffering to. I hope that was understandable.... |
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Fevr,
I can say this: With the Strings and cables that Bowtech uses cam synch is pretty much a non-issue. I know that I put several hundred arrows through my BKII without touching a thing...NOTHING. With the onecam bows I have owned from Bowtech that use the same string and cabling, the most I perosnally have EVER had to do was put ONE twist in my first Mighty Mite. Being that the string and cable on the dual cam models will be shorter or the same size as the onecam models, I don't see how anyone would ever need to do more than that. With a good dual cam design having a cable one twist "out" usually does not make enough difference to effect point of impact more than slightly at normal ranges as long as one pulls solidly into the wall. In fact if the "correct" cable creeps that One twist, it could actually be beneficial (it will lift the arrow slightly off the rest). If it's the "wrong" cable, then you likely will not see much difference if your bow-tune was good to begin with and you pull into the wall..in addition utilizing a drop away rest would likely make it inconsequential. I think that the strings and cables have finally caught up, and we will begin to see much of the market drift away from the "mainstream" one-cam design..either back to duals, or to hybrids such as Darton and Hoyt use. JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Edited by - jeffb on 10/23/2002 16:08:16 |
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"I think that the strings and cables have finally caught up, and we will begin to see much of the market drift away from the "mainstream" one-cam design..either back to duals, or to hybrids such as Darton and Hoyt use."
I think you're right about that and coupled with the performance of a DC Patriot and the Long BH BKII, there's going to be interest. How quiet are these bows compared to a one cam? I'll tell you, I do wonder if Mathews is feeling the pressure to step up in terms of performance here. It will be interesting to see how they position their product offerings going forward. |
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Buckfevr,
I can tell you that my DC Pro38 (which is essentially the 2002 BKII) was very quiet......almost astonishingly quiet for the speeds it produces. My local dealer one night indoors couldn't beleive how quiet it was......epecially when I lit his chronograph up at 336fps for him! :) I can tell you that it was just slightly louder than a Patriot set-up the same, and made my dual cam Hoyt Ultratec seem LOUD. It makes the Darton Rampage my best friend has sound like a rifle. Its on par noise wise with my Hoyt Defiant Redline which is a very quiet bow. Its really amazing and that's no smoke. I would think that the extra sweep of the VFT limbs on the Patriot would even lessen an already low noise level. And as far as timing?.......same as Jeff, I didn't have to touch a thing since January. Nothing. People need not fear the dual cam anymore.......the average person doesn't want to be tinkering with a twist here and twist there......here a twist there a twist everywhere a twist twist. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> And rightfully so because the average person doesn't own a press, they don't want to be heading to the dealer every week etc etc to have them get things in synch. Well the new string materials and manufacturing have now made the dual cam just as user friendly as the single cam, if not more so because if you want to you can REALLy tweak a dual cam. A person with a BowTech dual cam can sleep well at night knowing their bow hasn't done anything goofy on them from day to day. That's more than I can say for the stock strings and cables on the Mathews, Hoyt, and PSE bows I've owned in the last few years......even the 2002's. I've watched my peep go round and round like a Merry-Go-Round on a few of them and every single one has needed much more attention that my dual cam BowTech with the Winner's Choice stuff. I am 100% just as secure with the duallys as the singles with the string and cable advances. |
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Remind me not to post any more 1 or 2 line comments anymore. They get more attention than when I type a 3000 word review.....
<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> All of you folks need to stop using those nasty "M-words". I have a young son now and he is very impressionable. I can't imagine him hanging out with those crowds....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Remind me not to post any more 1 or 2 line comments anymore. They get more attention than when I type a 3000 word review.....
<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> All of you folks need to stop using those nasty "M-words". I have a young son now and he is very impressionable. I can't imagine him hanging out with those crowds....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Frank, We all know there's more than one "M-word" but only one "Nasty" M-word...LOL... I just had to do it...<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Edited by - BowTech_Shooter on 10/23/2002 18:21:27 |
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BowTech Shooter....I just can't pass this by! I just have to say it....ok I can't hold back anymore! Frank you know the words about to come from my typing fingers......here it goes.....
<font size=6>Mathews</font id=size6> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I just had to do it! sorry <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> A few of us out here still like those M words! Can't wait to see the new Bowtechs....I am sure they will be very cool....maybe not as cool as the new ....... ok I won't say it again! |
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Moonage, Sorry but how am I supposed to pass that over. Christ it about knocked my eyes out...LOL...
You know what I think is one of the funniest things about (some) Mathews shooters is the fact that they spell it wrong. Heck if ya don't know how go look at your bow (not you Moonage) ...LOL...Matthews... |
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Killed an 8-point with my Patriot last week, I don't know how a Bow Tech can get any better. Shoots like a dream.
Jim |
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Put in my order for one(28in draw 60lb Patriot) on Tues. Is the patriot a bad choice for a 3D bow? It was not mentioned in an earlier post asking about a good 3D bow.
The shop where I shoot & buy my bows is going to reduce the remaining 2002 by $50-$75, man am I tempted to get a BKII or Pro 38. If I did I would definitly be in a world of hurt from the boss. aka MALENURSE, aka Cajun67 Aim hard, aim harder!! Edited by - BAYOUBENGALS on 10/23/2002 20:08:02 |
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The thing that really makes the M******* bows look impressive in the adds is the statement of championships they earn in a year. Any chance you guys will be penetrating that market?
Sooner  "Size isn't important, but it HELPS!!!" |
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The thing that really makes the M******* bows look impressive in the adds is the statement of championships they earn in a year. Any chance you guys will be penetrating that market? Sooner "Size isn't important, but it HELPS!!!" <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> You know I just CANNOT take your post seriously..LOL..first the P word..then your GIF's, and finally your Sig.... LOL.... JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Caj,
I wouldn't call the Patriot a "BAD" 3D choice by any means.......just that there are other bows in the line-up that lend themselves better to that task. While the longer ATA bows may be a little more stable, the Patriot isn't bad at all in that regard with its exceptionally long riser it has natural built in lateral stability in its own right. Not sure if you mean a 2003 or a 2002, but The main concern with the 202 Pat for 3D is the balance.....its very unique in the 2002 model and will probably be best suited to Hunter Class style shooting with 12" max stabilizers and pin sights. The top heavieness of this model doesn't mix well with the long stabilizers and sight bars and scopes of the open class. I think it would make a very nice Hunter Class 3D bow......And don't be afraid to set it up with some back weight to counter some of the tumble. It will hold steadier for you as well.......This is how I have mine set-up. With a very light GK Tranquilizer out front, and a nice 4" Stealth stabilizer in the rear hole. I'm shooting at 70# and 30" and the bow does nothing at the shot.....just sits there nicely with a slow forward fall. Very Nice! As for the balance of a 2003??.....I guess we'll have to wait and see.:) Nobody should overlook the 2002 Patriot just cause' the 2003's are coming.......and you can get some great deals on them as well.(Not sure if the $50 rebate on 2002's is still in effect?) Just a terrific bow that you're gonna love. :) Edited by - Matt / PA on 10/23/2002 20:33:50 |
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Killed an 8-point with my Patriot last week, I don't know how a Bow Tech can get any better. Shoots like a dream. Jim <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Congrats! Do you have any Pics to show us? JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Sooner, They say not. They feel they get a more truthful and better advertising by having an amateur only staff. I'm not knocking any others advertising but most of us know there's a lot of halftruths that the general johnqpublic hunter doesn't know any better.
The shooters win, not the bows... Most of them could shoot a stick with a fishing line string and win... Or heck they could probably even win with the protoype that you'll see pictured on page 2....LOL.....BwaaaaHaaaaa Sorry JeffB, I just can't let it go dude......<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Since we were all typing at the same time I see. The Factory Rebate ends Oct. 31st for anyone interested. Edited by - BowTech_Shooter on 10/23/2002 20:28:50 |
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Put in my order for one(28in draw 60lb Patriot) on Tues. Is the patriot a bad choice for a 3D bow? It was not mentioned in an earlier post asking about a good 3D bow. The shop where I shoot & buy my bows is going to reduce the remaining 2002 by $50-$75, man am I tempted to get a BKII or Pro 38. If I did I would definitly be in a world of hurt from the boss. aka MALENURSE, aka Cajun67 Aim hard, aim harder!! Edited by - BAYOUBENGALS on 10/23/2002 20:08:02 <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Did you mean the standard Patriot? or the Dual Cam Patriot? For 3D's I would imagine the DC model will be the better 3D bow. It's a little longer (should also have the increased string angle), has more brace height and is about 15-20 FPS faster. However, if you want a bow to mainly shoot 3D's with, then I would go with the PRo 40 Dual, the Pro 40 single, the BKII high brace, or the Pro 40 wheel. Out of those I'd take the P40 Wheel or P40 Dual cam as my first choices. JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Or heck they could probably even win with the protoype that you'll see pictured on page 2....LOL.....BwaaaaHaaaaa Sorry JeffB, I just can't let it go dude......<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. Edited by - BowTech_Shooter on 10/23/2002 20:28:50 <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Yeeeshhh..how much abuse do I have to take over that picture? <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> Y' know you better stop it or I'm gonna tell my Mommy!<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle> JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Well, all I can say is...
I own the Ultimate "I" beam bow and the Ultimate "M" bow. : ) Sag. |
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Do have pics, will post if I can figure it out , may have to wait til my son comes home.
Jim |
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My order is for a'03 DC Patriot, sorry for not specifing(sp) that. I plan on it being a dual purpose bow 3D/hunting.
If I get BRAVE, BOLD, CRAZY, or just plain lose my mind, wife will definitly kill me when and if she finds out, I might get a 2002 BKII withthe tall BH, or maybe the pro38. I doubt it happens though!! aka MALENURSE, aka Cajun67 Aim hard, aim harder!! Edited by - BAYOUBENGALS on 10/23/2002 21:33:53 |
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BowTech_Shooter the only reason i spell it right is after too bows & all the gizmos that come in the box with the bow i is ingrained into my mind forever on how to spell Mathews!
actually as you know I am a fan of Bowtech too, they do have good stuff....I just had to rib you a bit! |
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Ya know....I am going to have to talk to the administrators to see if I can get them to list a new forum rule....
No using the "M-word" in a serious discussion of archery equipment! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> Thanks for the warning Pat...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Sag--
I'm here to stick up for you my friend! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> (just a little late) I too, now which bow works better in MY hands, having shot all four brands named in this post so far. My conclusions are-- 1) Doesn't matter how fast you go past! If you can't hit what you're aiming at, speed means squat.(this coming from a guy who has played the speed game for many years) 2) Recurve limbs are smoother and more responsive than straight, split limbs, well, we won't even go there! <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> 3)Tolerances, and attention to design and detail, along with top-grade materials and parts, make the bow. (along with geometry that is accuracy-oriented and designed to fit a wide variety of people) 4) Popularity is fun as you get to be part of the crowd, but that does little for you if the bow S's the bed and you need stuff repaired and the company is backed up seemingly forever. A bow that has the company stand behind products 100% and gets sutuff out with speed and precision is that one that will win that race. Need the overall combination to "make the grade".In all fairness, the guys at Bowtech DO stand behind their stuff, too. 5) Like I said,I've shot them all, and know which one I'll choose, thanks. C'mon, Sag, we'll have to go to Bedford this year,I'll come out of "retirement" if I can break away, (still can shoot a decent 3D score on my worst day, it's like riding a bike) and we'll show them what it's all about.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> We'll get Pizonarcher, RobVos, Field 14, and BlackFrog to go too. We'll have a ball! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> But we should make it a point to stop by the Bowtech and Hoyt and Mathews booths while we're there so they can look closer at the winning design. (we may have to run when they start shooting at us, tho! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) Yep, this is fun, isn't it?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> This could actually happen, I need to see Ken anyway for business in the spring, and that alone could give me the excuse to break away! Hmmmm, we'll have to see. Pinwheel 12 Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 10/24/2002 06:50:40 |
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So now we have to argue with Sag. and Pinwheel, Great...Welcome to the thread of fun Pinwheel...I've been wondering if and when you chime in here...What are you saying possibly a pack of Merlins at a 3-D shoot? That wouldn't be right would it?...Are they built to withstand the rigors of being outside?...Just so you know I am totally kidding you...Secondly Joe, brought his SuperNova by the BowTech booth at the IBO Worlds for me to see...I must say it's a nice looking bow and seems to be built well too...We didn't even think about shooting at him just because he didn't have a BowTech in his hand. Well maybe the thought did cross my mind for a second..lOL..
:) FWIW, A lot of folks that did stop by the booth didn't have one in their hands until they entered the booth and started shooting the bows. Same as with the Rascal game. We even had several top pro's playing our game so they could win a Rascal for their neices and nephews....All for fun....:) Moonage, I knew you were just ribbing me. I didn't take any offense if you thought I did... I just have to make sure I express in some of my posts that I am joking or some poeple get all offended...I try hard to be funny most of the time just ask JeffB about it....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>:) |
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Sag-- I'm here to stick up for you my friend! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> (just a little late)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Oh C.mon PW..you are here sticking up for Merlin, Not Sag <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I too, now which bow works better in MY hands <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> As I and others who shoot Bowtech, Hoyt, Mathews or any other brand have found out as well<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>1) Doesn't matter how fast you go past! If you can't hit what you're aiming at, speed means squat.(this coming from a guy who has played the speed game for many years)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Played the game for many years too (not as many as you, but enough). If you CAN hit what you are aiming at, the point is moot. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>2) Recurve limbs are smoother and more responsive than straight, split limbs, well, we won't even go there! <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> I'll agree to a certain extent, however I find the gap between the two with modern materials not be a major factor like it once was. Certainly not enough to influence my purchasing decision. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>3)Tolerances, and attention to design and detail, along with top-grade materials and parts, make the bow. (along with geometry that is accuracy-oriented and designed to fit a wide variety of people)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>. Agreed. I've found the tolerance of Bowtech, Hoyt, Martin, Darton, and a few other companies quite good, and certainly more than adequate. At a certain point the returns for going overboard are not seen in the end results. My Merlin, as well as the two Max2000's I shot did not shoot in hands any better than any other brand I have tried. Nice bows for sure, built like a tank, but IN MY HANDS, the felt "funny", so I didn't shoot them well (or I should say, any better). That's all that counts. I think the key point here is that it's the shooter , NOT the bow. assuming a quality piece of equipment. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>4) Popularity is fun as you get to be part of the crowd, but that does little for you if the bow S's the bed and you need stuff repaired and the company is backed up seemingly forever. A bow that has the company stand behind products 100% and gets sutuff out with speed and precision is that one that will win that race. Need the overall combination to "make the grade".In all fairness, the guys at Bowtech DO stand behind their stuff, too.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Absolutely..Bowtech overnighted a new bow to my dealer when the shipping company destroyed my first bow.You would never see that from most of the other manufacturers! C'mon PW what's wrong with being part of the crowd and enjoying the company of people who have the same tastes as yourself? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> we do that in every aspect of life, why not archery? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>5) Like I said,I've shot them all, and know which one I'll choose, thanks.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Me too. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>C'mon, Sag, we'll have to go to Bedford this year,I'll come out of "retirement" if I can break away, (still can shoot a decent 3D score on my worst day, it's like riding a bike) and we'll show them what it's all about.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> We'll get Pizonarcher, RobVos, Field 14, and BlackFrog to go too. We'll have a ball! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> so it IS OK to be part of a crowd? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>But we should make it a point to stop by the Bowtech and Hoyt and Mathews booths while we're there so they can look closer at the winning design. (we may have to run when they start shooting at us, tho! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> I don't know about Hoyt and Mathews, but I hope you can run really fast if you stop by the Bowtech booth and the shooting starts! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Yep, this is fun, isn't it?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Sure is! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Edited by - jeffB on 10/24/2002 07:35:31 |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Jeff-
The only thing is, I shoot back! Can still run OK, too! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> And, like you said, it's all in whatever you like, personal preferences, I agree with you on that totally.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> The rest of this stuff is just for our entertainment! <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> And yes, it's OK to be a part of a group, but it has to be the RIGHT group! We seem to differ a little there! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Regardless, it's all in good fun, and is a great sport we are involved in, wouldn't have it any other way... good shooting Jeff!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Pinwheel 12 |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Speaking of which....Where is BlackFrog? I haven't seen him post for ages. I thought he was using a Darton for hunting? If I don't see him soon then I fear he might head the same route that "Tom Sawyer" went and vanish from the forums forever...<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
You guys play entirely too nice...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. Oh yeah, I forgot, this isn't the fight-site....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
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Speaking of which....Where is BlackFrog? I haven't seen him post for ages. I thought he was using a Darton for hunting? If I don't see him soon then I fear he might head the same route that "Tom Sawyer" went and vanish from the forums forever...<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> You guys play entirely too nice...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. Oh yeah, I forgot, this isn't the fight-site....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> We can very easily take this to the fight-site to continue our "bickering"...Over there we can get downright nasty too...<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>  |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Pinwheel,
Yeah, that would be fun to meet you and the rest of the Merlin guys at Bedford. Will have to practice and get ready. Would be fun to put a whuppin on the BowTech boys like Pat, Jeff B, Matt, and Fr ank. Yes, I said Frank! I know, he's about to be sucked in, lol. He will have another BowTech soon. After the onslaught at Bedford, Pat (BowTech Shooter) will be calling himself Merlin Shooter. : ) Pat, I will be happy to let you shoot both of my Merlin's. That way you will know which one to order from Pinwheel 12 when you're ready to switch. LOL. Frank, Jeff, Matt, same goes for you guys. : ) Sag. |
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Pinwheel, Yeah, that would be fun to meet you and the rest of the Merlin guys at Bedford. Will have to practice and get ready. Would be fun to put a whuppin on the BowTech boys like Pat, Jeff B, Matt, and Fr ank. Yes, I said Frank! I know, he's about to be sucked in, lol. He will have another BowTech soon. After the onslaught at Bedford, Pat (BowTech Shooter) will be calling himself Merlin Shooter. : ) Pat, I will be happy to let you shoot both of my Merlin's. That way you will know which one to order from Pinwheel 12 when you're ready to switch. LOL. Frank, Jeff, Matt, same goes for you guys. : ) Sag. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Uh Oh, here comes trouble with a capital <font size=6>T</font id=size6> yes I mean you Sag..... <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> If I would ever change my name then people wouldn't know me round the world...phhhh just jokin' My name has a good sound to it so, I'll just have to keep my name for good...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Sag, why would you have to practice to whoop on us heck I thought Merlins were sooo good they shot X's without the shooter having to aim there....LOL....<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Hey what do you mean Franks getting sucked in?...LOL...I don't think he would do anything he doesn't want to do...Or would he?... I think it would be cool to hear what he would have to say about an 2003 BowTech....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
PW,
Of course it's all in good fun! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Sag, Who ever said I was a good shot? I SUCK! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pat, Are you going to post the clarification about the strings that I saw you do on the Bowsite? JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
I talked to the President of BowTech this morning about the string issue and this was what he told me if I can word it right. On the board the other day people were saying that BowTech would not be using Winners Choice strings next year. That was not accurate! What they should have said is that they will not be using Winners Choice exclusively. They are having their strings made to their new and improved standards and are not tying themselves to one manufacturer. They will have better quality than last year and will insure that they can produce while maintaining the highest quality production strings available. We should have known that BowTech would not sacrifice when it comes to quality improvements and I hope that clears things up.
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RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Pat,
Well, I have been shooting my custom recurves alot lately and neglecting my Merlin's just a little but it wouldn't take too long get back on track since a Merlin practically shoots itself as you say. : ) Jeff, I don't know. My cousin once told me his shooting sucked and I ended up buying lunch for him, lol. Sag. |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Who you callin' a Bowtech Shooter? Sag! Huh?
I guess I need to prove a point. Who is gonna have pics of their new Razortec tomorrow????? Yep, that would be me! And the last time I checked the Razortec was made by Hoyt...not Bowtech....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. I hear the quality and tolerances have gone up another notch this year for Hoyt....not to mention their boldness in dumping both the traditional single and dual cam designs in favor of something different... ...hint..hint...wink...wink.....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> ...now who was that comment aimed at...hmmmm .....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Frank,
As soon as the RazorTec is sold, lol. Sag. |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Sag,
You don't have to worry about buying me lunch...LOL... BTW, which custom recurves?..although I cannot shoot them anymore bcause of my back, I still adore traditional bows (I prefer longbows actually)...Have you ever bought or shot a Morrison? Frank, Make sure you don't cut yourself on that bow! BWWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! heh heh...funny...heh..funn...he....fun..h...<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle> JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
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not to mention their boldness in dumping both the traditional single and dual cam designs in favor of something different..<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> AHHHH..you mean like Darton did about six or seven years ago? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Well just what I expected is another bow manufacture that disregards the long draw archers. No 36 AtoA bows with 32 inch draws. Oh well I guess that I will just have to wait.
Brian |
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