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Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
The 2003 model year is finally here. This will be just a partial list until I can figure out how to either post the spec. sheet from an excel file or otherwise.
No pictures will be available for approximately 3 weeks. I'll start by telling you all that for confidentiality reasons there are 4 models that WILL NOT ship until Jan. 1st and should be hitting shops around Jan. 3rd. Those models are Patriot Dual Cam Black Knight 2 Pro 40 Dual Cam Extreme VFT Note, all the exsisting bows have also had some subtle changes made to them. Detail's will follow at a later date. Here's the specs on the new bows for now. THE SINGLES The Extreme VFT - 6.625" brace height, 25-30" draw length, 50-60-70 draw weight, 34.0625" ATA, 3.75 mass weight, and IBO is 325-333 fps. The Samson - is basically the same configuration but available in 80-90-100 lbs and IBO is 323-331 fps. The LadyHawk - 7.5" brace height 20-26" draw length, 30-40-50-60 draw weights, 29" ATA, 2.75 mass weight, 262-270 fps. IBO (tested at 26" draw 60# draw weight and a 300 grain arrow.) THE DUALLYS The Patriot Dual Cam - 7.6875" brace height, 24-30" draw length, 40-50-60-70 draw weights, 34.875" ATA, 3.80 lbs. mass weight, 332-340 fps.IBO. Black Knight 2 (Short)- 5.75" brace height, 24-29" draw length, 50-60-70 draw weight, 36" ATA, 3.95 lbs. mass weight, 342-350 fps.IBO (tested at 29" draw length, 70 pounds draw weight and a 350 grain arrow) Black Knight 2 (tall) - 6.75" brace height, 25-30" draw length, 50-60-70 draw weights, 36" ATA, 3.95 lbs. mass weight, 342-350 fps. IBO Pro 40 Dual - 7.375" brace height, 26-31" draw length, 40-50-60-70 draw weights, 38" ATA, 4.05 lbs mass weight, 329-337 fps. IBO THE WHEELY Pro 40 Wheel - 7.25 brace height, 24-31" draw length, 50-60-70 draw weight, 38" ATA, 4.10 lbs mass weight, 304-312 fps. IBO If anyone would like more information and specs. please feel free to email me and I'll try to answer your questions. [email protected] or at [email protected] Thanks, Pat Edited by - BowTech_Shooter on 10/17/2002 11:29:39 |
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I like the sounds of that Samson.....I used to shoot 85# but had a hard time finding bows in that weight range.....this intrigues me....a 600 gr arrow going 260-270fps!!! I like the sounds of that!!!!
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BTW...folks...that 350 FPS for the BKII low brace is with a 29" draw..not 30"!
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I commented on them over on another post you left but I thought I would mention here as well that I am excited to see some of the new specs/options.
I saw some key words that I would like further clarification on though.... <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This will be just a partial list ... <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Here's the specs on the new bows for now. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Any comments? |
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Dual cams, lighter, more brace, faster. This is approaching MY vision of the perfect bow.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle> The line forms behind me.
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WOW! Looks like all the pleading and moaning I did works<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>I'll have to try it on my Wife! It looks like a great line up for 2003 with more options and speed with less weight. Dosen't look like I was too far off the mark on the Patriot I was wishing for. Can't wait to see um "in the dip", thanks<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>, Russ.
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Why the range of IBO speed specs, ex- BKII short- 342-350 fps?
What am I missing? Using KE= VxVxW/450240, that BKII is putting out over 95#s of KE! Holy Crap! Is it shooter friendly? If so, what a log pusher that would be. Edited by - Rangeball on 10/17/2002 11:34:11 Edited by - Rangeball on 10/17/2002 11:42:23 |
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See guys it was worth waiting for wasn't it.
I know I will be calling my dealer today to place an order. Anybody want a good used Patriot. Only shot on the weekends by a little old lady<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>  |
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Why the range of IBO speed specs, ex- BKII short- 342-350 fps? What am I missing? Using KE= VxVxW/450240, that BKII is putting out over 95#s of KE! Holy Crap! Is it shooter friendly? If so, what a log pusher that would be. Edited by - Rangeball on 10/17/2002 11:34:11 Edited by - Rangeball on 10/17/2002 11:42:23 <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Rangeball, The extra speed comes from being an inch shorter in brace height. The 2002's were the same way if you compared say the 30" short brace BK2 versus the Tall brace 31" they shot the same speeds. same as 29" short versus the 30" tall etc., etc. Also take note folks that the brace height is now 1/4" longer on both of the BK models than they were in 2002. And yet they retained the same speeds.... The Patriot, Pro 40 Dual and the BK share a new cam for 2003. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Man that new patriot with 7.7" brace and 332-340 sounds like one heck of bow<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Bowtech shooter, that speed explanation left me still confused. What does the BKII short brace do at 29", the 350 or the 342?
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Bowtech shooter, that speed explanation left me still confused. What does the BKII short brace do at 29", the 350 or the 342? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Sorry I missed the question. BowTech doesn't advertise one specific speed. They advertise a minimum and maximum. Every bow gets tested before it ships from the plant and if the bow doesn't meet or excced the advertised speeds it won't get shipped. It gets torn down and rebuilt until it meets the specs. Every bow is shipped with a Factory Test Sheet (birth certificate) if you will. On this sheet the Test weight, Draw length, Tested arrow weight, Serial Number and speed it shot are documented on it. I hope that clears things up for you.... |
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Thanks for the info Pat one question for ya will the dual cams for the 03 model pats retrofit the 02 pat ? If they do mine's in the shop for a tune up !
If information provided by the members of this board have helped you please let us know . Edited by - ijimmy on 10/17/2002 13:04:48 |
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What does VFT stand for??? I know it's probably a really dumb question. But I assume it has more horizontal limbs like the Patriot. (Vertical Force Technology???) Just a guess....Anyone shot the the Samsons? How's the draw cycle on the 90#?
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Sheesh! Can you say speed?!?! You're going to have to wear thermal protective gloves to shoot those things.
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Before I get a bunch more emails I'd like to make a note. The 2002 single cam Patriot has a different limb length and deflections than what the 2003 Dual will have.
VFT is Vertical Force Technology I'm very impressed with the speeds and specs of the Pro 40 Dual! I'm swamped guys I'll try to answer if and when possible. |
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Thanks again for posting the info on the new bows BTS. Also thank you for you quick response to my emails!! '03 Patriot to be ordered Nov. 1st.
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I told ya it was gonna be worth it folks!
Last year was the first time in many years that I could remember that I wanted at least 4 bows from one manufacturer...And that was Bowtech. This coming year it's the same thing. Of course I'm really looking forward to the Pat DC, and I REALLY wish I had one now so I could hunt with it (My season has not even started yet) but I'm also looking forward to the wheel bow..that thing should be awesome for spots and 3Ds. Smoother draw, incredible speed...that'll feel mighty nice after 20 targets or so. Y'know now I think Pat (Dinan) should be made to post the infamous "pic" now. I don't have it anymore (deleted it by accident). Ausie might have it ..but I think he needs to ask Pat's permission. 2K3 BT's are gonna Rock on Toast! |
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Hey folks,
Here is some info straight from Kevin at Bowtech (uhm the guy who designs the bows)This is a quote of a post he did over at the Bowsite. "Yes, the grip has been changed for 2003. More narrow throat and a less rounded heel. Also .125 off the riser from front to back. The bows are also 8 to 10 ounces lighter. New cams and mods, smoother draw with a little more speed 2-5 fps, with higher brace heights for the single cams. New risers, new bushing material, new cable slides, new sand pocket design. New dual cams that are smokin fast, smooth draw, 70% effective let-off, cable tuners, and a solid wall. 350 fps with a 6 3/4" brace on Black Knight. Patriot Dual 7 3/4" brace 340 fps low recoil and vibration, feels like a Patriot during the shot. New ES VFT 6 5/8" brace 333 fps with low recoil and vibe, vertical force limb angles. P40 Wheel 7 1/4 brace, 38" axle 312 fps @ 70# 30" draw, with an energy wheel. BlackHawk for 03 28 7/8 axle, 8" brace, 2.85# mass 317 fps." RAWK ON TOAST! JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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JeffB, I'll try to post that protype pic once I figure out how...LOL... You all have to hear the story too but I'll let JeffB tell it when the times right....
Thanks for posting the information that Kevin posetd on Bowsite (ya beat me to it). <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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OK, I don't know when Pat will post the pic..but here's the story...
He get's back from Oregon hunting with the folks at Bowtech..emails me that he took some photo's of one of the new Prototypes... So he starts going over the specs...New camo, the innovative shelf area, new string and cabling...he starts telling me all the details, and says as soon as they are developed he will send them to me...So he takes forever to get em developed....I was going nuts waiting for the pic...I was like a little kid on Xmas. So when I got the pic, I was totally blown away...he's stringin me along like some kind of prissy pants cheerleader I used to chase around in high school.... Anyhoo..just wait to you see the pic...it's unbeliveable... |
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Thanks alot BTS...... I hope you don't mind if my wife calls and has a little talk with you about this. The 02 Patriot was the perfect bow in my mind and I was happy. Then you had to go and come out with the DC Patriot and now I got to buy another bow. My wife is not going to be happy with you<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>
To be honest I didn't think Bowtech could top the Patriot. I haven't even considered getting a new bow until now. But I am glad they did <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal." Edited by - silentassassin on 10/17/2002 14:25:35 |
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I believe the time has come that you are either shooting a Bowtech or you are shooting the archery version of a "mullet".
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Come on!! Someone help post this pic!!!! Which bow is it the prototype of? Shoot me an email of it BTS, or Aussie-guy, please, please, please!!!!!!!
aka MALENURSE, aka Cajun67 Aim hard, aim harder!! |
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BTS is indisposed at the moment (taking care of some family stuff)...perhaps Ausie can put it up...I asked Pat to send it me and I would post it, but he's not home yet.
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My wife just threatened me with divorce, if I buy a new bow. I'm gonna miss her.LOL!!!!!! I guess I have some softening up to do.LOL
aka MALENURSE, aka Cajun67 Aim hard, aim harder!! |
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Ok Guys here is the INFAMOUS prototype pic.
I hope you all get a big a kick out of it as I did. Sorry Jeff Pat told me the story and I could imangine the look on your face when you opened the pic.  |
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Damn.... You guys suck... :)
Does the 2 cam patriot look much different than the '02 version, design wise? |
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Damn.... You guys suck... :) Does the 2 cam patriot look much different than the '02 version, design wise? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> You all just had to see the reply email I got back from JeffB after the joke was over. It sure wasn't very nice...LOL... But funny as hades....... The Dual Cam Patriot will look pretty much the same as the 2002 single only it has Dual Cams (that's a no brainer) it will have a new grip, one inch longer limbs and it WILL NOT have the Sand Trap Limb Pockets nor will the Extreme VFT. |
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It WAS unbelievable..he had me Hook, Line and Sinker...I mean bad...
I was having the WORST day ever at work, and FINALLY he sends the pic..builds it up some more, I'm out of my mind w/ anticipation as I fumble to open it up.. When I opened that pic...my jaw not only dropped to my desk..it rolled off and hit the floor... And then I started Laughing...LOUD...I got a couple looks from some of the VP's who sit near me... I laughed the whole way home in my truck...it was totally worth it because it made me forget all about the horrible day I was having..I told Pat when I see him, he better have on some light clothes, and running shoes, cause he's dead-meat if I catch him... Ausie, yeah I know...he told me he told you... All in good fun... JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Jeff.
Now what I really like about the prototype is the natural camo pattern <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. I almost fell off my chair when I opened it with laughter of course knowing how Pat had built it up to you. I wonder whats going to be instore for you before next years line up comes public<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pat Why did they do away with the sand trap on the dual Patriot?? |
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Jeff. Now what I really like about the prototype is the natural camo pattern <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. I almost fell off my chair when I opened it with laughter of course knowing how Pat had built it up to you. I wonder whats going to be instore for you before next years line up comes public<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pat Why did they do away with the sand trap on the dual Patriot?? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Ausie-guy, Trust me those two bows don't need the Sand Trap limb pocket. They're may have been an engineering reason too I'll find out. My guess would be because the bows don't need it (they shoot very smooth w/o it) so why add the extra weight... |
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Hook, line, sinker and reeled in!!
I can just imagine Jeffb's face when he saw that. That is a nice camo pattern, but is'nt it a little short axle to axle. aka MALENURSE, aka Cajun67 Aim hard, aim harder!! Edited by - BAYOUBENGALS on 10/17/2002 18:38:31 |
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Now lets see if I have any luck postin' these specs that Pat sent me. Give me a couple tries as I have never tried to post an excel sheet....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
SINGLE CAMS Brace H Draw L DrawW A TO A MASS WEIGHT IBO SPEED EXTREME VFT 6.625" 25-30" 50-60-70 34.0625" 3.75 LBS 325-333 FPS. SAMSON 6.625" 25-30" 80-90-100 34.0625" 3.75 LBS. 323-331 FPS. PATRIOT 7.375" 25-30" 40-50-60-70 33.75" 3.95 LBS. 312-320 FPS. MIGHTY MITE 7.25" 25-30" 60-70 31.5" 3.85 LBS. 316-324 FPS. TECH 29 6.5" 24-29" 50-60-70 29.5" 3.60 LBS. 312-320 FPS.* BLACKHAWK 8" 25-30" 40-50-60-70 28.875" 2.85 LBS. 309-317 FPS. LADYHAWK 7.5" 20-26" 30-40-50-60 29" 2.75 LBS. 262-270 FPS. PRO38 7.375" 27-32" 50-60-70 36.6875" 4.05 LBS. 306-314 FPS. PRO40 7.75" 27-32" 50-60-70 38.625" 4.10 LBS. 302-310 FPS. GEN 3.2 7" 26-31" 50-60-70 37.5" 4.25 LBS. 312-320 FPS. STALKER 7.75" 27-32" 40-50-60-70 33.5" 2.90 LBS. 298-306 FPS. STALK LT 6.875" 22-29" 30-40-50-60 33.75" 2.85 LBS. 288-295FPS.* TOMKAT 9.125" 27-32" 60-70 31" 3.00 LBS. 284-292 FPS. THE DUALLYS BRACE H DRAW L DRAW W A TO A MASS WT IBO SPEED PATRIOT DUAL 7.6875" 24-30" 40-50 34.875" 3.80 LBS. 332-340 FPS. 60-70 BLACK KNIGHT 2 5.75" 24-29" 50-60-70 36" 3.95 LBS. 342-350 FPS. (S) BLACK KNIGHT 2 6.75" 25-30" 50-60-70 36" 3.95 LBS. 342-350 FPS. (T) PRO 40 DUAL 7.375" 26-31" 40-50 38" 4.05 LBS. 329-337 FPS. 60-70 THE WHEELY BRACE H DRAW L DRAW W A TO A MASS WT IBO SPEED PRO 40 WHEEL 7.25" 23-30" 50-60-70 38" 4.10 LBS. 304-312 FPS. YOUTH BOW BRACE H DRAW L DRAW W A TO A MASS WT IBO SPEED RASCAL 7.25" 19-25" 20-30-40 24.5" 2.0 LBS. 256-262 FPS. * IBO speeds for the Tech 29 and Black Knight 2 short brace height are based on a 350 grain arrow at 29" draw and 70# draw weight **IBO speed for the LadyHawk is a 300 grain arrow at 26" draw length and 60# draw weight *** IBO speed for the StalkerLite is a 300 grain arrow at 29" draw length and 60# draw weight IBO speed for the Rascal is a 200 grain arrow at 25" draw length and 40# draw weight Sorry Pat, this is the best I can do. Edited by - PABowhntr on 10/17/2002 19:16:27 |
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Yeah..That's how I did it too...I previewed it, and was like..uhh... If Pat can get the file converted to a JPEG, it should work as an attachment. Jeff |
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Well heck Jeff...if it was a jpeg or bitmap then I wouldn't have any problem posting it. I just don't have a program that will convert a MS Works style document to a picture format...<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Oh hey , I didn't mean any offense..just that I tried the same thing..I, for one, appreciate your efforts! :)
I think Pat was looking around to see if he could get it converted..that was what I was implying. Jeff <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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