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Well there it is!! Its about time.......I was beginning to think Hoyt was gonna have a whole day all to itself!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
WOW are you guys seriously SOAKING IN THESE NUMBERS? I mean really....think about where this is going..... upwards of 340fps with a 7.7" brace height!! <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Are you kiddin' me!! Lighter weight, improved grip, still Winner's Choice strings and cables new bushings and slides and the "Feel" at the shot of a single cam Patriot! I'm dyin' over here! This stuff is a godsend for hunters......More forgiving brace heights, smoother drawing and the highest levels of KE in the industry all wrapped up into one package?? There simply isn't a manufacturer that even comes close to this combination of shootability and performance.....not even close. You short draw shooters?.....here's the performance you've been jealous of from the long armed crowd! :) Low poundage shooters?....now you can hang with the big dogs with speed and power to spare, and you don't have to kill yourself doing it. Not impressed with the speed or don't need to see supersonic numbers light up thru a chrono?, then shoot the biggest baddest arrow you can come up with and bring it down to modest speeds, butter smooth shooting and open up a huge can of Whoop A. I can't even fathom what the DC Patriot will feel like with a 500gr arrow doing about 285-290fps for me!! Think about it........ every dual cam bow in BowTech's line up will most certainly outperform the competition's offerings at 10# or maybe LESS draw weight! That's a significant gap, and sure makes things attractive for those who don't feel like horsing 70# draw weights. I personally can't wait to get my hands on a few of these and put them thru the paces......I see a DC Patriot and a Pro40DC on my "gonna be way to long" wish list. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>......Oh if I survive to February without a divorce this is gonna be a miracle. |
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Would anyone like to do some testing on a prototype bow?...Hehehe Bwaaahhaahaahhhaha.....Shoot I just spit coffee on myself...
JeffB, How about you my friend?..... I'll have to go to the wood pile and make you one if you'd like to do a "Long Boring Bow Report" on one...LOL...ROFLMAO.....Gawd I wish I could have seen your face.... Frank, Thank you so very much for trying sir.... |
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Here is a predictable question, but....Why can't I get a short BH BK2 in a 30" and be shooting 360+
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Here's a little Star Wars quote for you....
"Laugh it up fuzzball"... BTW, once you go get that stick from the woodpile, I'll be happy to tell ya where....ehhh nevermind...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Now seriously folks...It was great..I am the first person to laugh at myself or poke fun at myself...Pat was brilliant....he pulled it off really well... Y'know Matt's comments are dead on...the short draw people and those who don't like or cannot shoot high poundage have really got it made w/ the new Bowtechs, as well as those folks who like to shoot re-bar, or heavy carbons. Also those who may be a bit overbowed or overdrawn and don't want to admit it, now they can get more comfy and not have to worry about lack of speed, energy, or both. I'm a big guy and shot 80 to 90pounds for years till I hurt my back. then I shot 70's. Now I buy 60 Lb Bowtech's, and although I still suck, I am shooting better and more consistent at the lower draw weights (even though physically I can handle drawing the heavier weight bows with no pain). Here's something to chew on..my 60 LB BKII produced as much or more KE with a 5 grains per LB arrow than ANY of the 70 LB bows I've owned this past year did at 7 grains or lower (except for my Mighty Mite). That's scary. JeffB :) |
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I couldn't wait. I ordered a Patriot DC today. What a way to bring in the new year!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Now if I can only get a dual cam Rascal.
Pat, the Lady Hawk sounds like a good bow for the wife. Need a field tester? Jeff, I feel soooo badly for you. Hmph, hmph, hmph!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> Good one Pat.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Phil. "Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot." |
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Here is a predictable question, but....Why can't I get a short BH BK2 in a 30" and be shooting 360+ >>>-----SPEED KILLS----> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> 500 FPS, The new dual cam will only go up to 29" on the BK2 Short. It's just the way the module design worked out. In short the 29" short brace BK2 will take a #1 module which is as short as they go. JeffB, I hope to meet you someday (but you have to promise not to chase me like you threatened)... Another thing that I want to add to this thread is the fact that all the bows will have the stainless steel stabilizer bushing in the riser and also note the fact that we have done away with two brace options on every bow with the exception of the BK2. The ESD is not in the line anymore either. |
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Let's see, my "old" Patriot's IBO, on the high side, is 320 which shoots my 2315's at 259 with the 30 inch mod. at 67 pounds. That figures out to 78.96 foot pounds of energy. If my "new" Patriot DC will do 15 fps more at the same set up and arrow weight, that would be 274 fps and 88.38 foot pounds with a 530 grain arrow. Well I've sat here for about 10 minutes before this sentence and I can't think of anything to say except HOLYCRAPORONI! What the heck are we going to shoot our arrows into! The old Bitzenburger is sure going to get a work out now! What about the Pro 38? Is it going to be discontinued or maybe another suprise?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> shocked and then<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> some more!
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Now, to quote Jeff...I don't want to pee in anyone's cheerios but I need some further clarification of Matt's statement. We have had this discussion in the past of how a person could shoot a 60 lb Bowtech bow and achieve the same speeds as a person who was shooting Brand X at 65 or 70 lbs. But, and admittedly, the trade off has been the amount of time that the person has to hold the bow's peak weight during the draw cycle.
What, if anything, has Bowtech done with this issue? Obviously they increased speeds somehow and I am sure that they won't explain it as it would be giving away a trade secret, but I would like to know if it was done simply by, again, increasing the distance during the draw cycle that a person needs to hold the bow's peak draw weight? This is gonna be tough. I know I am going to have a Razortec in my hands very shortly and now I am going to have to deal with what I went through last year....considering a Bowtech right after I get the Hoyt. Hopefully I won't have as long to wait this time.....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Let's see, my "old" Patriot's IBO, on the high side, is 320 which shoots my 2315's at 259 with the 30 inch mod. at 67 pounds. That figures out to 78.96 foot pounds of energy. If my "new" Patriot DC will do 15 fps more at the same set up and arrow weight, that would be 274 fps and 88.38 foot pounds with a 530 grain arrow. Well I've sat here for about 10 minutes before this sentence and I can't think of anything to say except HOLYCRAPORONI! What the heck are we going to shoot our arrows into! The old Bitzenburger is sure going to get a work out now! What about the Pro 38? Is it going to be discontinued or maybe another suprise?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> shocked and then<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> some more! <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> The Pro 38 is still in the line for 2003 See PABowhntr's post above it has everything in it. Frank, You got me on that one. I'm certainly not Kevin nor do I have his brain...(heck I don't have much of my own either)..LOL... I know that he did say the new dual cam is smokin fast and will have 70% effective let off. |
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Frank,
I think that’s a very legitimate question. I don’t know for a fact, but the Cmas are supposed to be smoother. In this case I would tend to think that means they smoothed out the front end, the back end, or both. If the area under the curve is increased (length of max pull), but the back and/or front ends are smoothed out a bit, I don’t think it would be too noticeable, certainly not enough to go “GOOD GAWD this thing is hard to draw”, simply because the transition/s would be easier. In fact I think it would be no more difficult to get used to than max cam draw curves were a few years back, and obviously that didn't become a problem, even though they were harder to draw than the majority of 2 cam bows at the time. Now if the area under the curve is increased and the back and/or front end is NOT smoothed out a bit more, then I think you will see some backlash. However, I doubt seriously Bowtech (or anyone else) would try such a thing in today’s market (if they are smart). At the same time though. I don't mind a bit stiffer draw if the bow is producing piles of KE and great speed. Drop your draw weight, expend the same or less effort as the higher poundage bow, and get better speed. I don't think we will EVER have our cake and eat it too (I don't know about you, but I ahve yet to find anything that is perfect you just have to weight the tradeoffs), but I can deal with a cam that is stiff but is also so quick I only have to draw 50 LBs to get the energy of a smoother drawing cam 20 or more pounds higher in draw weight. This is why I'm VERY interested to see the wheel bow from Bowtech. JeffB :) |
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Pat,
You mentioned that ALL would have the stainless steel stabilizer bushings in them. Did you mean all the new bows? Or will older designs like the Mighty Mite T-29, Stalker,etc have these as well? Have there been any design changes to these older models that you know of? Also how are the new cable tuners going to work? Is this just for cam synch?, or will people be able to dial out cam/wheel lean at either side of the split harness? Of course all the fuss has been about the DC cam bows, but can we get some info on the new Extreme Solo? Will it be on a Pro Riser? Has Kevin done anything to the Infinity and PF cams for 2003? What about the Pro 38? The brace height is quite a bit higher this year. Is it a new riser? Or longer limbs? Or both? Same camo? All the new bows will have W/C? Anything new in the accessory line? Will the new grips be available in different wood choices? Plastic? Are Vibrablocks standard equipment this year? C’mon man..Inquiring minds want to know! Jeff :) |
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Pat, You mentioned that ALL would have the stainless steel stabilizer bushings in them. Did you mean all the new bows? Or will older designs like the Mighty Mite T-29, Stalker,etc have these as well? Have there been any design changes to these older models that you know of? Also how are the new cable tuners going to work? Is this just for cam synch?, or will people be able to dial out cam/wheel lean at either side of the split harness? Of course all the fuss has been about the DC cam bows, but can we get some info on the new Extreme Solo? Will it be on a Pro Riser? Has Kevin done anything to the Infinity and PF cams for 2003? What about the Pro 38? The brace height is quite a bit higher this year. Is it a new riser? Or longer limbs? Or both? Same camo? All the new bows will have W/C? Anything new in the accessory line? Will the new grips be available in different wood choices? Plastic? Are Vibrablocks standard equipment this year? C’mon man..Inquiring minds want to know! Jeff :) <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Yeesshh Jeff don't you have some work to do or soemthing?...LOL... I don't have all the answers but I'll try... ALL the bows will have the SS Stabilizer bushing in them. I'm sure the cable tuners will be for both adjustments but I don't have all the nitty gritty on them yet. We don't have the Extreme Solo anymore it's now the Extreme VFT <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> It is on a Pro style riser but it's a refined Pro riser. It's been ligthened up some without losing strength and integrity. The limb pocket design has changed and ligthened up too. I'm pretty sure the Pro 38 just has a little more limb angle so it shortened up the ATA a little and gave it a little more brace height. Now only offered in one brace option. Same Camo... I'm not real sure yet which ones will have W/C and which ones won't. We do have a 8 arrow One Piece quiver that should be shipping real soon. Very Nice I might add. I've abused mine (not willingly) and it's been very durable and it's also very quiet for a one piece detachable. The quiver will come with three types of mounting hardware, a bracket for the bow, for a tree and also so you can wear it as a hip quiver. And it also has the same carbon/aluminum arrow holder and hood the two piece quiver uses. I'm sure the grips will be offered in diferent wood choices and probably a rubber grip too. Again no details yet... I'm also not real sure if VibraBlocks are gonna be standard equipment. There you have it Jeff and others.... I'm not responsible for any misinformation..Well, maybe I am...LOL...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Cool...
So I can assume that the PF/I-cam is unchanged? or only minor changes like from 2000 to 2001 to 2002 Also about the quiver...how compatible w/ Mech's is it? will it have a double gripper like say the Bohning Lynx and Kwikee Mech quiver? ES..EVFT...whatever <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> OK..since you think the P-38 riser remains unchanged (other than the cut angle for the pockets) does this mean the BKII option 2 riser/ P40 DC and P40 wheel will have the same riser as the P38..meaning the BKII option II will be a P38 w/ the DC system...and the P40/DC or P40Wheel will be the same riser as the P38, with just the longer limbs and new cams/wheels respectively? was that clear? Oh..what about the G3.2? any changes? will it have the new riser? Sorry 'bout all the questions, there's just a lot of new stuff, and and now I'm getting down to the other things that have been in the back of my mind for awhile... Jeff<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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It isn't pretty, but here is a copy of the info already posted.
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Pat.
I noticed that no one has asked about the limbs. I do take it that there are no changes in the limbs for the new bows. That BT are still going to be using Gordon limbs. By changes I mean no carbon fibre added to them. Here is a thought wouldn't it be great if they used the Merlin Pro Fusion limbs. Now that would be my dream bow a dual cam Patriot with Merlin Pro Fusion limbs. Oh well maybe next year.  |
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Ausie,
As far as I know, no changes to the limbs. All, Pat is not around right now that I know of, but he did let me know a few things before he was off for the weekend. First off there will be some slight changes to some of the specs..for example the mass weight lised for the MM was incorrect (it's lighter than stated). Minor stuff as I understand it. I know there are also some additions to be made. Mostly small things, butvery cool small things. One addition is something I've been asking for in my reports, and no it's not the change to the grip. However, I don't want to post specifics, as I'm not an "official" voice of Bowtech. If I hear anything else or am given the go-ahead by Pat to post specifics, I certainly will. Stay Tuned! JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Thanks Jeff.
hmmmmm now let me see if I can find your old reports<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. Nah too much trouble I will just wait.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> besides that I am getting ready for tomorrows big out door adventure. |
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Hey Folks,
Pat is not around..ARGGHH...off for the weekend with his sweetheart. Looks like I won't hear anything until either Pat gets back, or I get permission from my "contact" at the Bowtech Corporate Office. I emailed him, but I don't suspect we will hear anything till Monday. I've been BEGGING for REAL pics, and they are working on getting them out for everyone to see ASAP. Ausie, I can tell you that the thing I've been hoping for (and apparently will be done this year) has to do with the Infinity cam models. Allrighty then...maybe if we all pray at the same time, Pat will hear us, and borrow a laptop somehwere and either post or answer my email. On 3... 1.... 2.... 3.... *silence* JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Wow, I know what it is but I'll be quiet! I'm very picky also with my set up. Sure seems like the folks at BowTech have been lurking on the web and listening to shooters wants and needs. It's going to be an interesting year for sure.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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WWAG,
Yep...That's one of the major reasons I love Bowtech. They take in every piece of feedback they can find,and more importantly ACT upon said feedback. They are extremely responsive, and very accessible as a company. That, to me, is much more important in any company than whether or not the bows shoot 10-20 FPS faster than the competition or have X brand camo, or my fave 3D shooter shoots their stuff. Some other companies have had their customers complaining about, say for example grips, or any number of things, for years. It's not change just for change's sake, it's real improvement..and much of the time all those little things are MUCH more important that one or two "hyped up" major changes that are common in this industry. JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Edited by - jeffb on 10/19/2002 18:33:20 Edited by - jeffb on 10/19/2002 18:35:23 |
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I have a theory I'd like to heap upon the hype pile or is it hype upon the heap pile? The new DC Patriot IMO should be more recoil and shock resistant because it will be using two cams of equal weight. Unlike a conventional single cam which has the larger cam on the bottom and a much smaller and lighter idler wheel on top. On most single cam bows you can usually feel what is known as lower limb kick due to the heavier rotational mass of the bottom cam<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I GOTTA SEE THESE BOWS!! Hey how about a dual cable guard rod, one above and one below the grip, no rollers! I always wondered why Mathews didn't camo that roller bracket<img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>.
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WWAG,
I agree. I believe that a 2 cam bow produces a more "balanced" feel as it recoils than a single cam bow, even extreme low recoil models like the Patriot and Legacy. Based on my experience with the 2K2 BKII, I can only imagine that the DC Patriot with it's parallel limb design will be incredible. My BKII had very little recoil and just a bit of handshock when set-up with a Sorbotek stabilizer and limbsavers. Some of my other onecam and hybrid bows had much more noise, recoil and/or shock than the BKII does when set-up apples to apples. Which brings me to another point. I find it quite "ballsy" these days in this market to bring out a dual cam design and promote it as your main bow for the year. Not only that but Bowtech has 2 or 3 more brand new dual cam bows. They have one new Ininfity cam model (E-VFT),and a fairly big overhaul (the Blackhawk), and now w/Hoyt doing the cam and a half, will this be the year that the market finally goes to doing their own thing, and getting away from the single track idler onecams? Will 2004 bring more of the same? Of course we shall have to see what Mathews puts out in January, but I cannot help to think that Matt McPherson has painted himself into the corner by making it clear that in their view hybrids and dual cams are inferior. Should be interesting to say the least. JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Hey Jeff how have you been? Yes I agree with you I think this year the market will move into a free for all when it comes to cam's and options. Martin is pushing new bows that do not have single cams, bowtech is too! I find what Hoyt is doing interesting even though it looks a lot like the Darton CPS. I think companies will move away from the single cam except for a few companies. I think Mathews will continue to make solocams....I see no reason for them to change that.
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I can't help but to take notice of the new DC Pro 40. With those speeds it would make a great 3D bow and if it has the VFT limb angle, it's going to be noticed by some pros for tournaments.
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Hey folks I'm back now... I'm working on getting all the answers to all the questions but please bear with me I'm absolutly swamped right now. I was out of town for 2 1/2 days for my birthday/Sweetest Day and came home to 37 emails since my laptop (via cell) phone wouldn't work in the remote area I was in...Plus NO PHONES in the rooms...A well needed vacation indeed...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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I'm probably the only person on this board who is "old school" enough to ask about the Pro 40 wheel bow. Will it have a hard wall, or the typical wheel bow mush at the end of the draw cycle? Thanks for any info on this mostly non-speed related, non-VFT related question.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Joe I still have enough "Old School" left in me to be VERY intrigued by that Pro40 Wheel bow as well.......Imagine the thought of that "Old School" butter smooth draw, and speeds upwards of 312fps with a forgiving 7.25" brace height!
I can only speculate at this time, but I would guess they found a way to incorporate a solid wall into the design. It would sure make a day on the 3D course easy on the back muscles.....even with all those blazing speed numbers for the 2003 bows, this one jumped out at me too. |
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Well I am a big dual cam fan.
My Patriot is the first single bow and dont get me wrong I love it. But now they have a dual cam version out the single cam Patriot will be looking for a good home as soon as my dual cam Patriot arrives. It is going to be interesting to see what Mathews does come out with tho. With this years models Bowtech was put on the map and from what I can see the 2003 models they are going to be drawning a whole new map. It is good to see a company that not only listens to the end users but gets out there and does it. On another note I would like to cordially invite Matt/PA he turned me onto Bowtech,Pat aka BTS and all the crew at Bowtech to my up coming divorce proceedings<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Man this dual cam one is going to cost me a small fortune my wife is already asking me for the matching earings and necklace to go with the 10 carat diamond ring the Patriot single cost me<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> but on the bright side I wont have to change my signature pic<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Jeff,
We definitely need to chat a bit more about this draw-force curves issues. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>In this case I would tend to think that means they smoothed out the front end, the back end, or both. If the area under the curve is increased (length of max pull), but the back and/or front ends are smoothed out a bit, I don’t think it would be too noticeable, certainly not enough to go “GOOD GAWD this thing is hard to draw”, simply because the transition/s would be easier. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> I understand what you are saying Jeff but considering the current shape of the draw force curve on the B-tech cams I could not imagine how they would have any room over the draw force curve to make the transition any smoother than it currently is. I am not saying that folks are purposely mistating the truth but rather would be pleasantly surprised to see such a change. Unless the engineers at Bowtech found some ways to "tweak" some minor odds and ends in order to obtain the resulting increase in speed then I would probably guess that they somewhat lengthened the range that the bow maintains its peak draw weight. Not ridiculously mind you but enough to increase the speed slightly while still being able to maintain a healthy brace height. |
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Anyone know if the DC Patriot will use the same riser as this year's patriot. Just curious about balance points and such.
Also, anyone know MSRP on this bow? Rod |
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Unless the engineers at Bowtech found some ways to "tweak" some minor odds and ends in order to obtain the resulting increase in speed then I would probably guess that they somewhat lengthened the range that the bow maintains its peak draw weight. Not ridiculously mind you but enough to increase the speed slightly while still being able to maintain a healthy brace height.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Actually this is what I was implying, that you will hit max quicker and hold it longer...the crux though is how hard or soft you hit it, and drop off...I do not know for a fact, but i suspect that's the case. Of course they also are using some new things that might give us an increase of a few FPS to add to the total..the new slide, the bushings, etc. I suspect that Kevin designed the new cams around the limb angle and deflection rates he had to experiment with on the standard Patriot...He may have found a very efficent combination of the two through design and trial and error. Do not forget that basically the current BK cams are a 7-8 year old design. they have had a few tweaks here and there, but Kevin has had plenty of time to experiment and refine other designs. At any rate, it's going to be fun to find out! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> [/quote] |
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Anyone know if the DC Patriot will use the same riser as this year's patriot. Just curious about balance points and such. Also, anyone know MSRP on this bow? Rod <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Rod, The Patriots (as well as the other Pro series bows) for 2K3 will be a bit more refined..they are supposed to balance a bit better than the 2K2's, as well as weigh less. I don't know about prices... JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Maybe I was missed it earlier but will the dual cams on the Patriot be the same as the dual cams that were on the BK2 or will they be in some way different?
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RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
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I'm probably the only person on this board who is "old school" enough to ask about the Pro 40 wheel bow. Will it have a hard wall, or the typical wheel bow mush at the end of the draw cycle? Thanks for any info on this mostly non-speed related, non-VFT related question.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Joe, LOL...love that last sentence in the part I quoted...kind of a disclaimer of sorts..hee hee I do know it's supposed to be an energy wheel. I doubt the wall will be mushy but I do not know for a fact. Pat, do you know? I'm interested myself in this bow. JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Frank, For 2003 the Dual Cam Patriot, BK2 and Pro 40 Dual Cam have a new cam. They will all use the same cam.
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RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Pat or Jeff.
With the new line up. Have BT done anything about lowering the sight window?? |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Well, after reading the specs and all of the posts it will be interesting to see the dual cam Patriot. I liked the single cam and it shot fairly well for me, but I had some consistency problems. It just seemed that me and the bow couldn't always get along. I loved shooting it, but hated the grip and the balance. I can't wait to check out the new one and see if the changes are to my liking. Those speeds are hard to argue with and for a short draw shooter like myself they are very inviting.
BTS, when will they be at the pro shops for us to get our grubby little hands on? |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
I suspect that the DC Patriot will balance better due to the change in the sand trap limb pockets plus the one inch longer limbs. "and visions of sugar plums danced in my head"<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
Ausie-guy, They sight window was lowered earlier this year to help with the problems that some people ran into.
HuntingBry, The Dual Cam Patriot, BK2's, Dual Cam Pro 40 and the Extreme VFT won't get to shops until beginning of Jan. The 2003 brochures should be out mid Nov. and some of the 2003 bows will begin shipping Early to mid Nov. or so. |
RE: Well, here's what's new from BowTech for 2003...
BTS I don't know if this has been asked yet but what are the prices for the 03 bows?????
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