I am sure!

well you can be sure and wrong at the same time.

I just shot an 06 Allegiance with the smooth draw module in it. I can't believe it!! I have an 03 Extreme VFT which I love but the smooth draw on this new bow is great. It was a 60 lb. pull and I could put it back slow with no problem.

We run them through a crono and my Extreme was 10 fps. faster but it is set at about 64 lbs. I sure don't want to trade bows but WOW that bow is smooth. Wonder how much harder the speed module pulls?

I also didn't like the pull on those new cams when they came out. They must have gotten enough feedback that they made the easy pulls. Anyone want to buy my Extreme VFT?

Now that you are saying I am wrong......singles were born out of the ease of tunability. Of course they won a lot of 3D tourneys.....alot of people were shooting them. If singles were so good, why cam and a half? Why now binary's? Why either of these two over a dually????They dont need as much tuning. Are you saying that a tuned single cam bow, will outshoot a tuned dual cam? I dont think so. I agree that the shooter makes the biggest difference.....but we just disagree on the single vs double thing. Single cam technology, in and of its self, is going away.

i'm just sayin that out of a machine they'll both put arrows in the same hole so i'm not sure how 1 is more accurate than the other. (i secretly miss my dually, i will admit that.)

I am not sure that Id bet the ranch on the fact that a hooter shooter would place every arrow from a single at the exact same spot. A friend of mine owned a hooter shooter and he shot my dually through it. The first three arrows robin hooded and he said hed never put a dually in that machine again...just one instance that I have seen, take it for what it is worth. But just think about it. A dually, or a binary, really does have level nock travel. End of story. When tuned, how does it get better? Which leads me to our deate...how does a single, with out level nock travel, ever get tune like a dually? Anyway.....sorry to hear that you got rid of your dual cam.

But, if you have no tuning issues and are satisfied, it was a good move. One thing that I love about the binary or dual cams, is that I can shoot different arrrow and head combinations out to 35 yards without changing my sites, or rest.... for example, these are the combos that I can shoot....2512,2514,2315,2314, ics 340 or 400. Most all with heads 100-125 graiins. Pretty crazy.

now that we have 452x, i have no problem with getting another dually, binary, or cam.5. i really had to stay on top of my dually in the past, and while it shot great, it was a lot of work to keep it perfect. and yeah, bullet holes were dreadfully easy to aquire. however i've really grown to love the draw of my patriot single cam. the next bow i'm really thinking about getting is either a martin with a shoot thru system, or a hoyt wheelie converted to a shoot thru (except for the pesky control cable. larry wise showed me how to do it). as far as the things you're talking about, which i pretty much agree with, it just seems like the next logical step. with the binaries there just isn't any way to outwit the cable slide, and it just makes sense that its a good thing to do. my patriot s/c will be my hunting bow for years to come, but for my 3-d bow i'm definately going in the direction of the above.

you really like patriot your single cam that much? That is great. I had actually toyed with the idea of a single about a year ago, but could not make the jump. My 03 dually, was my fist dual cam bow. Got it right when they came out. Had tons of problems with the factory string. Went to winners choice. Now, I get all cables in 452 and string in 8125. That tuning can be tough, but when they are on....

Watch the Allegiance while shooting. I shoot mine every day and slip up often and have had a couple of misfires. The reason is thatwhen you draw, BAMM!! most of the draw weight is up front and then a short valley to a rock hard wall. While holding and aiming, if you become too relaxed and creep forward just a hair, its GOING AND NOW. If you finger happens to be infront of the trigger, guess what, chances are that you will shoot the arrow.

In all actuality, the high let off is deceiving. If you decide to utilize it and relax and aim, the problem occurs. I guess i am still getting used to it, but i have to really keep pressure on it while aiming.