now that we have 452x, i have no problem with getting another dually, binary, or cam.5. i really had to stay on top of my dually in the past, and while it shot great, it was a lot of work to keep it perfect. and yeah, bullet holes were dreadfully easy to aquire. however i've really grown to love the draw of my patriot single cam. the next bow i'm really thinking about getting is either a martin with a shoot thru system, or a hoyt wheelie converted to a shoot thru (except for the pesky control cable. larry wise showed me how to do it). as far as the things you're talking about, which i pretty much agree with, it just seems like the next logical step. with the binaries there just isn't any way to outwit the cable slide, and it just makes sense that its a good thing to do. my patriot s/c will be my hunting bow for years to come, but for my 3-d bow i'm definately going in the direction of the above.