Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
10-09-2002 | 10:57 AM
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Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
The ones that use outserts and have a .002" straightness tolerance?
Bonus points for adding how much they weigh per inch and as well as the weight of the outsert and arizona ht plastinock
Bonus points for adding how much they weigh per inch and as well as the weight of the outsert and arizona ht plastinock
10-09-2002 | 11:13 AM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
RB,
They are made by Custom Archery Equipment. IIRC weight for the 230's was about 9 grains per inch (9.3?), 10.4 for the 240's... outserts about 28 to 30 grains, and the nock should eb about 8 grains. How's that ? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> The CAE website might still have that info.. www.customarchery.com The Cabelas models were "seconds" and "thirds" quality shafting (straight from the owner of CAE when I talked with him at the old Bowhunting trade Show), but still are quite good, especially for the price. I dhot the CAE Pro Selects, and next an ACC have found nothing tighter. Straightness of .0O3 TIR, weights within 2 grains and spine match was very good. TheCarbon PLus (similar to the Cabelas shafts) were also quite good: .005 TIR, weights within 5 grains, spine very good.
If you are looking for high quality pultrudeds you might check out Carbon Tech, as well.
In addition the Cabelas Stalkers are made by Beman, and the Timber camo carbons by Blackhawk. The did have some made by Goldtip too at one time.
They are made by Custom Archery Equipment. IIRC weight for the 230's was about 9 grains per inch (9.3?), 10.4 for the 240's... outserts about 28 to 30 grains, and the nock should eb about 8 grains. How's that ? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> The CAE website might still have that info.. www.customarchery.com The Cabelas models were "seconds" and "thirds" quality shafting (straight from the owner of CAE when I talked with him at the old Bowhunting trade Show), but still are quite good, especially for the price. I dhot the CAE Pro Selects, and next an ACC have found nothing tighter. Straightness of .0O3 TIR, weights within 2 grains and spine match was very good. TheCarbon PLus (similar to the Cabelas shafts) were also quite good: .005 TIR, weights within 5 grains, spine very good.
If you are looking for high quality pultrudeds you might check out Carbon Tech, as well.
In addition the Cabelas Stalkers are made by Beman, and the Timber camo carbons by Blackhawk. The did have some made by Goldtip too at one time.
10-10-2002 | 07:05 AM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
Darn it Jeff, you beat me to this one! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
..and here I thought that you didn't visit the forums anymore....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
..and here I thought that you didn't visit the forums anymore....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
10-10-2002 | 07:45 PM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
Jeff B.
Thanks for the detailed and informative answer. The first carbons I tried were the Cabelas SST, and I was frustrated enough at the time to send them back. Your comment about them being seconds for CAE makes sense to me. I had two in my dozen that were really out of whack in terms of being concentric. One side of the arrow was much thicker than the other. I went back to CAE X-caliber aluminums, then on to Beman Hunters and a variety of ICS types. I hope the quality of Cabelas CAE seconds has improved since I tried them which was about 8 years ago.
Avoid the inevitable until it is absolutely unavoidable!
Thanks for the detailed and informative answer. The first carbons I tried were the Cabelas SST, and I was frustrated enough at the time to send them back. Your comment about them being seconds for CAE makes sense to me. I had two in my dozen that were really out of whack in terms of being concentric. One side of the arrow was much thicker than the other. I went back to CAE X-caliber aluminums, then on to Beman Hunters and a variety of ICS types. I hope the quality of Cabelas CAE seconds has improved since I tried them which was about 8 years ago.
Avoid the inevitable until it is absolutely unavoidable!
10-10-2002 | 08:42 PM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
JeffB.
Since you seem to be the resident arrow manufacturer expert <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. Can you tell me who makes the Red Head Carbon Supreme arrows? Are they seconds too? I'm looking for a good "bang for the buck" set of carbons.
Thanks,
Kirk
Since you seem to be the resident arrow manufacturer expert <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. Can you tell me who makes the Red Head Carbon Supreme arrows? Are they seconds too? I'm looking for a good "bang for the buck" set of carbons.
Thanks,
Kirk
10-11-2002 | 11:51 AM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
RB,
You are welcome!
Frank,
I don't have much time these days to post, but I do pick and choose a thread or two to get into if the mood strikes me that day.
Joe,
the Cabelas SST shafts I have found overall, pretty good, though I do not doubt you had a few bad ones. The cheaper Maverick shafts they were offering before the ICS arrows became all the rage I found pretty "foul".
NAV,
The Bass Pro shafts are made by one of two outfits
1) The same place in Korea making Gametracker's (CX) shafts
or
2) The same place in Mexico making PSE's shafts.
Originally it was the American company AFC that was bought out by Gametracker. Then GT contracted a manufacturer in Korea to make the CX shafts (cheaper, and Gametracker has everything made overseas).
The PSE's are identical barring their place of manufacture. I suspect someone from the original AFC took the CX design when GT went to the Korean manufacturer, and either sold PSE some rights, or just contracted with the manufacturer in Mexico.
On a side note:
The CAE shafts are (or at least were, not sure now) made in China.
Beman was made in France until Easton bought them out.
Jeff
You are welcome!
Frank,
I don't have much time these days to post, but I do pick and choose a thread or two to get into if the mood strikes me that day.
Joe,
the Cabelas SST shafts I have found overall, pretty good, though I do not doubt you had a few bad ones. The cheaper Maverick shafts they were offering before the ICS arrows became all the rage I found pretty "foul".
NAV,
The Bass Pro shafts are made by one of two outfits
1) The same place in Korea making Gametracker's (CX) shafts
or
2) The same place in Mexico making PSE's shafts.
Originally it was the American company AFC that was bought out by Gametracker. Then GT contracted a manufacturer in Korea to make the CX shafts (cheaper, and Gametracker has everything made overseas).
The PSE's are identical barring their place of manufacture. I suspect someone from the original AFC took the CX design when GT went to the Korean manufacturer, and either sold PSE some rights, or just contracted with the manufacturer in Mexico.
On a side note:
The CAE shafts are (or at least were, not sure now) made in China.
Beman was made in France until Easton bought them out.
Jeff
10-11-2002 | 11:56 AM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
NAV,
One more thing...
You get what you pay for. I would not doubt and honestly would fully expect the BassPro,and some of the Cabelas shafting to be seconds and thirds material.
I suggest spending a bit extra and get some quality shafting.
For the money, the standard C/X and the Beman ICSH are good deals. Especially the Beman ICSH as the weight and spine consistency is among the best of the IC shafts on the market now.
One more thing...
You get what you pay for. I would not doubt and honestly would fully expect the BassPro,and some of the Cabelas shafting to be seconds and thirds material.
I suggest spending a bit extra and get some quality shafting.
For the money, the standard C/X and the Beman ICSH are good deals. Especially the Beman ICSH as the weight and spine consistency is among the best of the IC shafts on the market now.
10-11-2002 | 04:22 PM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
Jeff:
What about the Terminator Selects? I seem to remember you speaking highly of them. Good weight without tubes, shoud be durable and are "advertised" at .003 straightness.
Avoid the inevitable until it is absolutely unavoidable!
What about the Terminator Selects? I seem to remember you speaking highly of them. Good weight without tubes, shoud be durable and are "advertised" at .003 straightness.
Avoid the inevitable until it is absolutely unavoidable!
10-11-2002 | 07:35 PM
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RE: Anyone know who makes Cabelas sst carbon shafts?
Joe,
Yes indeed. I do like the Terminator Selects quite a bit. They are perhaps the most durable IC carbons I've used. They group very well. Until recently I was shooting them out of several bows. The prices are great too, at my local dealer. If you ahve the desire for a heavy carbon shaft, they are tough to beat.
Now, the funny thing is, I'm going to be shooting some Beman ICS hunters out of my latest bow. For a couple of reasons...
1) Even at lower total arrow weights I find the Beman arrows EXTREMELY quiet..not just on the noise of the draw, but actual shot noise. They have an incredible amount of noise damping properties. I took my bow up to my local dealer friend (who sell CX, and not Beman) and he concurred that the ICSH were quieter than the CX Terminator Selects that were 70 grains heavier. Bow arrows tuned fine and flight was perfect. It was not a case of mismatched spine.
2) Even though the straightness tolerances can be wacky, the ICSH have really tight weight and spine..especially the latter which IMO is the most critical thing to getting consistent accuracy from all your arrows. While the CX shafts are quite good, and much better than they used to be, I still find the Bemans better. The Bemans however are not nearly as tough, and will lose their spine and/or crack quicker if you don't install uni-bushings in them (from nock end hits and hard impacts).
3) I give credit where credit is due, the CX shafts are very good shafts, but durn If I like buying something that has "Made in Korea" plastered all over it. While I realize many if not the majority of things we use are made overseas these days (including the computer I'm typing this on), when I DO have a choice, I like to buy American.
I'm an A/C man through and through, but I'm going to give the ICSH a whirl this year for at least the beginning of the season (my season starts November 1st). The nice thing is that my A/C/C 3-60's spine and tune virtually the same, so If I get cold feet w/ the ICSH 340's I can just make a small sight adjustment and I'm good to go w/ the 3-60's.
JeffB
Yes indeed. I do like the Terminator Selects quite a bit. They are perhaps the most durable IC carbons I've used. They group very well. Until recently I was shooting them out of several bows. The prices are great too, at my local dealer. If you ahve the desire for a heavy carbon shaft, they are tough to beat.
Now, the funny thing is, I'm going to be shooting some Beman ICS hunters out of my latest bow. For a couple of reasons...
1) Even at lower total arrow weights I find the Beman arrows EXTREMELY quiet..not just on the noise of the draw, but actual shot noise. They have an incredible amount of noise damping properties. I took my bow up to my local dealer friend (who sell CX, and not Beman) and he concurred that the ICSH were quieter than the CX Terminator Selects that were 70 grains heavier. Bow arrows tuned fine and flight was perfect. It was not a case of mismatched spine.
2) Even though the straightness tolerances can be wacky, the ICSH have really tight weight and spine..especially the latter which IMO is the most critical thing to getting consistent accuracy from all your arrows. While the CX shafts are quite good, and much better than they used to be, I still find the Bemans better. The Bemans however are not nearly as tough, and will lose their spine and/or crack quicker if you don't install uni-bushings in them (from nock end hits and hard impacts).
3) I give credit where credit is due, the CX shafts are very good shafts, but durn If I like buying something that has "Made in Korea" plastered all over it. While I realize many if not the majority of things we use are made overseas these days (including the computer I'm typing this on), when I DO have a choice, I like to buy American.
I'm an A/C man through and through, but I'm going to give the ICSH a whirl this year for at least the beginning of the season (my season starts November 1st). The nice thing is that my A/C/C 3-60's spine and tune virtually the same, so If I get cold feet w/ the ICSH 340's I can just make a small sight adjustment and I'm good to go w/ the 3-60's.
JeffB
