Besides ATA....What's the advantage?
03-03-2008, 06:21 PM
#1
Dominant Buck
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Besides ATA....What's the advantage?
Besides ATA being longer......what's the advantages a "Target" bow holds over "other" bows?
What are people talking about when they mention a __flex (de or re?) riser? Why is that preferred?
What else?
Thanks!
What are people talking about when they mention a __flex (de or re?) riser? Why is that preferred?
What else?
Thanks!
03-03-2008, 06:38 PM
#2
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Albany, NY
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RE: Besides ATA....What's the advantage?
Reflex/Deflex/Straight risers basically apply to where the throat of the grip is compared to the pivot point of the limbs.
As an example, thePSE Money Makerbelow has adeflex riser, with the throat of the grip being in front of where the limbs connect to the limb pockets:
The X-Force LD has a straight riser:
And the X-Force has a VERY reflexed riser:
If given the same limb length and angle, the deflex will traditionally decrease your power stroke (making it more forgiving but slower), but also with the deflex riser will typically settle down faster after the inititial draw/anchor sequence, and also will be more forgiving of any twitches or bad shot execution.
Hope this helps!
As an example, thePSE Money Makerbelow has adeflex riser, with the throat of the grip being in front of where the limbs connect to the limb pockets:
The X-Force LD has a straight riser:
And the X-Force has a VERY reflexed riser:
If given the same limb length and angle, the deflex will traditionally decrease your power stroke (making it more forgiving but slower), but also with the deflex riser will typically settle down faster after the inititial draw/anchor sequence, and also will be more forgiving of any twitches or bad shot execution.
Hope this helps!
03-03-2008, 08:05 PM
#3
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dover, PA USA
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RE: Besides ATA....What's the advantage?
And it's not just the ATA length itself making the bow more steady that's the entire advantage.......the longer ATA lengths are much more user friendly with repsect to geometry and form. It's much easier to find a good upright posture and still maintain your anchor references with the shallow string angle of a long ATA bow.
I've come to realize that at 6'3" I almost NEED a 40" bow to get a proper form fit.
These longer neutral or deflexed riser bows also have a different weight distribution for the most part which puts the majority of the weight above but also (like in the case of my Constitution) BEHIND your hand. This weight distribution patern makes the bare bow want to roll TOWARD you at rest. This allows better compatibility with longer target style stabilizers and sighting systems without overpowering the fall of the bow in a forward direction.
In other words you don't need as much BACK weight and can use heavier or longer stuff out front and still wind up with a bow that doesn't want to "dive".
Longer 'Target" bows also generally have a higher brace height.
I've come to realize that at 6'3" I almost NEED a 40" bow to get a proper form fit.
These longer neutral or deflexed riser bows also have a different weight distribution for the most part which puts the majority of the weight above but also (like in the case of my Constitution) BEHIND your hand. This weight distribution patern makes the bare bow want to roll TOWARD you at rest. This allows better compatibility with longer target style stabilizers and sighting systems without overpowering the fall of the bow in a forward direction.
In other words you don't need as much BACK weight and can use heavier or longer stuff out front and still wind up with a bow that doesn't want to "dive".
Longer 'Target" bows also generally have a higher brace height.
03-03-2008, 09:30 PM
#4
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: HENDERSON KY USA
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RE: Besides ATA....What's the advantage?
1 more advantage of a deflex riser is it is more difficult to get the limb tips to move as compared to a reflex riser.This makes for a more stable and harder to torque bow.
It has been my experience that longer bows have the vertical center closer to the arrow as well.This makes for a more forgiving shooter as well.
It has been my experience that longer bows have the vertical center closer to the arrow as well.This makes for a more forgiving shooter as well.
03-04-2008, 02:54 PM
#5
Nontypical Buck
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Location: Middletown PA United States
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RE: Besides ATA....What's the advantage?
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
And it's not just the ATA length itself making the bow more steady that's the entire advantage.......the longer ATA lengths are much more user friendly with repsect to geometry and form. It's much easier to find a good upright posture and still maintain your anchor references with the shallow string angle of a long ATA bow.
I've come to realize that at 6'3" I almost NEED a 40" bow to get a proper form fit.
These longer neutral or deflexed riser bows also have a different weight distribution for the most part which puts the majority of the weight above but also (like in the case of my Constitution) BEHIND your hand. This weight distribution patern makes the bare bow want to roll TOWARD you at rest. This allows better compatibility with longer target style stabilizers and sighting systems without overpowering the fall of the bow in a forward direction.
In other words you don't need as much BACK weight and can use heavier or longer stuff out front and still wind up with a bow that doesn't want to "dive".
Longer 'Target" bows also generally have a higher brace height.
And it's not just the ATA length itself making the bow more steady that's the entire advantage.......the longer ATA lengths are much more user friendly with repsect to geometry and form. It's much easier to find a good upright posture and still maintain your anchor references with the shallow string angle of a long ATA bow.
I've come to realize that at 6'3" I almost NEED a 40" bow to get a proper form fit.
These longer neutral or deflexed riser bows also have a different weight distribution for the most part which puts the majority of the weight above but also (like in the case of my Constitution) BEHIND your hand. This weight distribution patern makes the bare bow want to roll TOWARD you at rest. This allows better compatibility with longer target style stabilizers and sighting systems without overpowering the fall of the bow in a forward direction.
In other words you don't need as much BACK weight and can use heavier or longer stuff out front and still wind up with a bow that doesn't want to "dive".
Longer 'Target" bows also generally have a higher brace height.
03-04-2008, 04:07 PM
#6
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dover, PA USA
Posts: 5,497
RE: Besides ATA....What's the advantage?
I'm almost amazed at how much you've learned in the last couple of years, Matt. Might I also say you a pretty articulate.
