RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

being thathokie posted on speeddogs on 10/13/3:24 pm and you posted the same thing over here on 10/14/7:32am i would say you got it from hokie at speedogsNOT somebody on the inside as you claim.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

Rick if you knew you would make your braggs and rub it in. Your the type of person who would pour salt in a wound for pure enjoyment.LOL

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

So you searched the whole internet to see where I posted it at first? Better go back and search some more. I posted it there on October 12th, 2008, 10:14 PM. HM responded to my post there on October 13th, 2008, 03:18 PM. It then hit speeddogs a few minutes later at 3:24 pm. I had it days before I posted it too. Article came out on Oct 8th but I don't get the paper it was originally printed in and for archives they charge a fee. You might be surprised to know how people really feel about the hound issue. What you see or perceive is not how it really is.

Apology accepted.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

If he wants to post in the manner he did I'll post back in a similar one.

It's like a hurricane HM. You know it's coming, you know it's going to cause damage but no one knows how much rain and wind you'll get or how long power will be off. But you do know the storm is coming. And it's on the radar as we speak.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

Clueless drivel as usual. I haven't prompted anyone to write a thing. Just like the junk you posted here, you did it on your own. I'm sure they'll be more. Your kind doesn't know when to stop.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

Sure you have. Again, as I have repeatedly informed you, I am not a "dogger". I've never even heard of that term.

However, I am interested in ensuring that sportsmen are portrayed fairly by government and the media. Every time I read up on any hunting related matter, your name is plastered all over the material. I can't help but see it.

I read the VHHR press release and thought it seemed like a very interesting and positive approach to dealing with conflict among hunters. After all, it's hardly unusual for us to get annoyed with one another.

But the members are not interested in reforming anything, and the material is questionable and the behavior unethical. Animal rights material available for download, I read your editorial about hunting in which you created two entries about "abandoned dogs" one of whom had not eaten "for months", and the despicable urging to accuse hunters of being potential rapists and murderers.

A person is judged by the company he keeps. It's true of Obama, and it's true of you. Personally, I don't associate with people who feel comfortable lying to get what they want.

I would have respect for your position if you did not offer lies, innuendo and manipulation to support it. I, literally, have no dog in this fight. Hunting deer with dogs could be banned tomorrow and my life would not be affected at all. I don't care.

What I care about is that we don't shoot ourselves in the foot, and that everyone, and their kids, gets a fair shot at hunting opportunites.

That's not going to happen if hunters keep getting portrayed as gun-toting rednecks, criminals, potential rapists, or engages in tactics like you, your friends (and many of the deer dog people too).

I don't appreciate being caught up in your little war, and I daresay many other sportsmen don't either. You'd be happy to take us all down just to score some insane point.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

Thanks for your opinion backwater. Everyone has one.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

You're welcome. I actually do live in a backwater so though you intended to insult me, it made me laugh.

My posts were not written for your benefit.

There are plenty of sportsmen out there that find this matter and the behavior of certain participants to be a complete embarrassment to the sporting community in this state.

Every hunter, and I mean EVERY hunter, complains that there are fewer hunting opportunities, that landowners deny them permission to hunt, that hunters have been unfairly depicted in the press, and these complaints are oft repeated in every state in the Union.

The venom you (and others) spew everywhere you go has not gone unnoticed, and has already appeared elsewhere in animal rights forums. It's being used against all of us, not just those you seek to destroy. You're not sophisticated enough to understand the damage you are doing.

Any action that results in a loss of license revenue or access is going to hurt us all. Our lobby becomes smaller, and nonsporting interests gain a bigger voice; ESPECIALLY animal rights activists.

When a hunter asks a landowner for permission to hunt, what does that landowner see? A potential rapist? A gun-toting redneck? A drunk?

That is the only information out there about hunting. YOUR WORDS are out there adding a new dimension to anti-hunting rhetoric. Animal rights activists are mostly female. Adding the "rapist" label to hunters plays right into their fears. They're not receiving American Hunter in the mail, they receive HSUS pamphlets. Think they're going to let you hunt on their land? Even urban archery? That one circuit court opinion isn't enough to protect urban archery from another legal challenge. It's not the precedent the press made it out to be.

My words are not for your benefit. It is evident you have a small, vindictive mind. You are the negative stereotype that we all need to keep away from.

I want the public to see a different picture. That of the ethical, responsible sportsman. If you still think that's drivel, it's more a reflection of your character than mine.

I've not got much time left on this earth. My best hunting days are over. I can no longer do the things I once did, but I can still write well.

Perhaps it's just rambling to you, but maybe one or two people will read it and think more kindly of sportsmen. If so, it was worth the time it took to write it.

Have a safe and successful season.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

it's not how i see anything,it's how the game dept. see's it.the informal survey didn't go so well for you and the public meetings didn't go so well for your kind neither.what a mere 25 or 26 bothered to show and express there displeasure.you dont think that spoke volumes to the game dept.? no, rather they hid behind their computers and sent emails and letters,half of witch were probably anti-hunters and animal rights activist and other nut jobs,and wakos.yep,bet they took those seriously.



bywater,you speak the truth,and have made me relize i too have been a little childish.thank you.taking your point of view to heart will make me a better man,sorry i cant say the same for big bird,he will never know just how wise your words are.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

I don't know what all the fuss is about. The survey is effectively over and nothing has changed. You can still run your dogs wherever and whenever you want, and the "right to retrieve" law is still intact. Dog hunters lost nothing, and the other side lost it all. We had a chance to compromise and lost. Now I'm afraid we really will see the end coming soon. This time, there will be tracking of complaints and documentation of violations of existing laws will be the downfall of dog hunting for deer.