RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

Take a look at the "Interesting" thread down in the South discussion section. There is a long list of reports of people being arrested for violating game laws and tresspassing just in the past month. As far as I can tell, none of them involved hund hunters. Rather the bad boys are the same type of folks who come on here accussing the hound hunters of all sorts of things. Funny how the facts work out.[8D]

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

To my knowledge hunting deer with hounds hasn't even started yet. You really don't know if those people violating game laws hunt with dogs or not. That's a FACT. If you are really trying to say hound hunters don't break the law.............wow.
I think most hunters are generally good, but there are bad apples on both ends. I think the reason dog hunters are getting a worse reputation is because when they break the law it TOTALLY ruins other peoples hunts. Instead of "Hey, get off my property." It's "Wow, yall just ran every deer off my property...."

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

$150 + $71 + 2 years probation. That's what the 2 that claimed they were fox hunting got in court yesterday. Guess the I'm chasing foxes" loophole might get a bit expensive. Looks like the end of the road for the drop 'em off and let 'em run crowd. :D

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

I don't know the circumstances around that case, but the two pleaded gulity and didn't have legal representation. I reccomend that they get them a horse or a mule and tally hoo next time they turn them loose, that way they'll be within the law as following the hounds. LOL

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

I'm not sure on the mule! LOL

You know what this is intended to stop. If it does it then mission accomplished. If training out of season was stopped 90% of the hate and discontent would go away. This might have been the $75K law we had along.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

Joey,

Doesn't matter if it is dog season or not. If you look back thru at the posts, you seeclaims thatdoggers are always out running deer out of season.If that was as common as some of the people here claim, then whyisn't that claim reflected in thethe long list of arrests described?

It is amazing that one hears all these claims of widespread transgressions by doggers, but upon close scrutiny it seems clear that folks, who are often biased against all forms of dog hunting, are making mountains out of molehills.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

joey,

just realize u cant make virginia a management place like iowa,illinois, ect.. we run dogs joey! no ones going to change that. so if u dont like running dogs then get the hell out..ur just pissing in the wind getting ur boots wet

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

Well I don't think you will get arrested for running your dogs out of season. It seems there are so many ways to get out of it.
I am not against dog hunting.. I actually guest with some hunt clubs during the season. Hunting with dogs is a blast. I'veguested with people doing it the right way, and people doing it the wrong way. A lot of the hunt clubs have ton of land and enough hunters to have a good organized drive. I hope that those guys never have any problems, but the bad apples are going to make it hard for them. I wouldn't mind if I was next door to them, and I had to grab thier dogs every now and then because of a mistake. The small groups of guys that line up YOUR property line, then drop the dogs off on YOUR property is what gets me. This problem will never be fixed. It's just gonna threaten the good doggers in the future.
I don't have enough money to manage like the guys out west, but I would rather shoot a doe then a young buck. Telling me I should get out is kinda taking this a little too far. I never said anything bad about dog hunting. I said Im against the guys that hunt illegally. You are blowing smoke on a mole hill calling it a mountain fire. You shot your buck this year while still hunting anyways!

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

doe slyr that statement pisses me off, your attitude and comments doesn't represent any hunting dog owners I know.

RE: ***URGENT VIRGINIA HUNTING DOG OWNERS***
 

RIGHT TO RETRIEVE LAW EXPLAINED
Retrieving a dog doesn't violate property rights
November 2, 2008 12:36 am

It's time for some facts about hunting with hounds.
Virginia is not the only state to recognize exceptions to trespass. All states recognize them.
In some, exceptions are codified and permit farmers to retrieve livestock, hunters to retrieve legally downed game; others permit collection of debris or retrieval of dogs. There is nothing unconstitutional.
Exceptions to trespass involve exigencies, where immediate action is required (e.g., to save a drowning child, catch your dog that dashed into your neighbor's yard, assist an animal or person in distress, or to prevent an accident).
Some call Code 18.2-136 the "right to retrieve" law. That is a misreading; it grants no right.
It is an animal-welfare law. It exists so lawful hunters may immediately retrieve dogs and prevent any harm to the dog or annoyance to a landowner. The hunter must be unarmed, on foot, and must identify himself.
Any other act is a crime. The law is clear and is enforced, though some would have the public believe otherwise.
No law permits violation of property rights. The landowner is protected from liability, and all civil remedies remain available to the landowner.
The vast majority of sportsmen are decent, ethical, law-abiding citizens. They respect property rights, obey laws, and care for their dogs. Those who disobey the law are criminals, not hunters.
A hunter retrieving his hound isn't a "taking" of my property rights; his retrieval demonstrates respect for property rights and love for his hound.
Jessica R. Swan
Fauquier

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