I thought this would be a great place to find some information about my english setter, but you pros argue too much to make anyone want to take any advise you may want to give. Common folk usually don't have the bucks to get a trained bird dog. We find dogs indog shelters and try tomake it work. Heck the best bird dog I ever owned wasn't a bird dog at all. It wasa border collie.I used it for cattle and a house pet, but during pheasant and quail season it became apointing bird dog. I killed many a pheasant with that dog.

Again please give sound advise and leave your opinion at the door.

I agree that you don't always need a spotless pedigree. The best dog I ever had was a small black mutt. It could jump and circle a rabbit, go on slow walking point on quail, tree up on squirrels, and drag a coon almost as big as it out of a hay mound. There weren't too many dry eyes around when he passed away.

This site is nothing about pro's and amatuers, it is about other people, trying to help other people. Yea, Iam considered a "pro", I have been in dogs, for a little over 20 years. This does not make you a pro, I have trained and assisted in training, some of the best gun, and trialdogs, and some of the best retrievers, this does not make you a pro. All this does, is give the experience to help others in thier questions of what and why. I have not made a single dollar off of a person in this site, all I have personally made is friends. When you work 20-30 all breed dogs a year, there are different things you pick up on, or figure out. If you don't you are not a trainer, pro or amatuer. I am not gonna tell you what to do, just explain to you why this will possibly work. And I will personally admit, there is alot of bickering going on, but then there is alot of just picking going on also. It is all in fun, it always comes out in the wash, as to who is serious about working thier dog and who isn't. I have yet to have anyone on this site say, that what I personally explained to them did not work. So I willguess that I must have been pretty close to being right. So they are happy, and so am I. Here is something to think about: anyone who accepts, money or gifts of any sort is considered a pro, no matter how many dogs they work, if they work any. 1 time you accept anything for working a dog, you are now considred a pro. You get out of life what you put in it. Same goes for the dog, you don't know what your doing, don't. If you think you know what your doing be greatful that any body is even trying to help. Had an older black man that does dogs for a plantation in south gerorgia, his name is Reb, he told me way back, he said Jonesy, you got a way with dogs, and animals, always remember, a great trainer is not afraid to share his or her info....ever. I strive for that myself. So I am sorry you guys feel the way you do, but my e-mails are always open, my phone line and my door, NEVER be afraid to ask. Thanks Merry Christmas, Jonesy Jonesy's Gun Dogs Berea, Ky [email protected] 859-985-2918

We all have ***holes and opinions.
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I agree, what a profound statement!

There are different schools of training; therefore, differing opinions. The three most experienced here (actively posting) are Doc E, tailcrackin, and underdog. There are also some professional trainers in the For Sale section under Hunting Dogs but they are mainly there to advertise. Other than that, I really don't know how much experience the other posters have.

As for me, I'm relying on jonsey advice and also on another board that specifically deals with my type of dog. I've trained one setter before and have another that's turning out to be one nice hunting dog. There is another poster here PA Gobbler who has a pointer that's just alittle younger than my Llewellin, so, we are going thru growing pains together.

why did you make this post if your not going to take the advise? theres thousands of people on this forum and everyone is on the same subject (hunting) everyone is going to have a different opinion, so why dont you just ask a question and leave your opinion at the door.

It's all about just coming on to read posts about dogs for me. Pretty much nobody here hunts treedogs like I do, and the ones that do, I can tell I know as much as they do so I just enjoy reading what everybody else puts down. The reason I know nobody is in the same boat as me is that most people on here don't seem to have any idea about the dogs (mountain curs) or game I hunt (squirrels), so I just enjoy reading about the bird dogs and watching some of the posts that seem educational.

you got that right Mite, and im still going through those pains..lol.. for me this is my first dog and hunting dog. so i ask a ton of questions and if it wasent for everyones help on this site, i dont know if i would still have my pup. everyone hasgiven me a lot of help here and i want to thank them forthat