RE: Arguing too much
There are different schools of training; therefore, differing opinions. The three most experienced here (actively posting) are Doc E, tailcrackin, and underdog. There are also some professional trainers in the For Sale section under Hunting Dogs but they are mainly there to advertise. Other than that, I really don't know how much experience the other posters have.
As for me, I'm relying on jonsey advice and also on another board that specifically deals with my type of dog. I've trained one setter before and have another that's turning out to be one nice hunting dog. There is another poster here PA Gobbler who has a pointer that's just alittle younger than my Llewellin, so, we are going thru growing pains together.