Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
08-22-2008 | 10:34 AM
#31
Nontypical Buck
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From: Southeast, VA
RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
ORIGINAL: rick64
Your stating the obvious and just make up anything else that fits your agenda.I expect PETA & HSUS to oppose any form of hunting.
The shocker is a hunting org.(VHDA)standing arm in arm with PETA & HSUS to oppose lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. Then turn around and ask for support from the same guys that they dumped on.
Typical response(Deer chasers do no wrong):All the problems are because ofthe Warden's/law enforcement, DGIF, Landowners, Bowhunters, Stillhunters, SAC, Tech. committe, VT,........hope I didn't leave anybody out.
ORIGINAL: NEW61375
Good points and do you know what the main two anti groups (HSUS & PETA)other primary target is..............everyone's beloved BOWHUNTING.Hunters won't be so quick to buddy up and help them ban that will they, but the groundwork is being laid now friends take the blinders off....initially reform sounds great but we are not the only ones involved....now there are people involved(with underlying motives)who truly want to "reform" hunting for us, it is no longer just us hunters trying to reform our pasttime.
ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche
Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section.
Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section.
The shocker is a hunting org.(VHDA)standing arm in arm with PETA & HSUS to oppose lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. Then turn around and ask for support from the same guys that they dumped on.
Typical response(Deer chasers do no wrong):All the problems are because ofthe Warden's/law enforcement, DGIF, Landowners, Bowhunters, Stillhunters, SAC, Tech. committe, VT,........hope I didn't leave anybody out.
The right to retrieve law is very specific and yes, often abused, but the fact that it is not enforced is even worse. If you drive on someone elses property to get dogs or anything other than walk on with no firearmyou are breaking the law, write them a ticket, fine them something.
In fact I never said to support Hokieman or his organization, quite the contrary I looked into his group and many things they support and oppose and it isn't for me because I do they think if they want help they would help other hunters. Here's a link to that thread(somewhere in the middle)which I'm sure you remember rick.
RE: Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance
I don't think we view it too much differently as far as the big picture(from the thread mentioned above):
ORIGINAL: rick64
That makes sense to me, in return for the privilege of being able to retrieve their dogs the penalty should be more severe for breaking the law.
I think we all agree, ifall Conservation Officers were more aggressive with the laws that are already on the books, this wouldn't be as big an issue.
That makes sense to me, in return for the privilege of being able to retrieve their dogs the penalty should be more severe for breaking the law.
I think we all agree, ifall Conservation Officers were more aggressive with the laws that are already on the books, this wouldn't be as big an issue.
original:NEW61375
I would agree with that. I do feel in many areas we need more officersand they also need to be actively enforcing the laws.
I would agree with that. I do feel in many areas we need more officersand they also need to be actively enforcing the laws.
Anyway, this is why I stay out of these threads anymore, tons of mis-communication rather than communication.
Good luck this season everyone.
08-22-2008 | 10:35 AM
#32
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From: Southeast, Va
RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
Im growing tired of this arguement. Guys it's simple....we are understaffed in this part of Va when it comes to wardens, not enough around and that's why dogs are dropped in the off season. The solution is also simple. Just simply don't run your dogs in the off season. Problem solved. Instead of pointing fingers at each other and saying that so and so is in bed with PETA and other org. just work together. Bowhunters/still hunters have not brought this issue up in the assembly as far as I know. The non hunting community and some hunters actually got this started. I keep telling ya'll that. Everyone keeps saying that game wardens should be held accountable....what about the guys dumping the dogs?? If they stop this practice in the off season, problem solved. My issue and many others have nothing to do with the practice of using hounds. It's the practices of the dog owners that are causing issues. NOT ALL DOG OWNERS....but enough have done it to raise eyebrows. Im a former dog owner, I miss my hounds, can't afford them and can't keep here at my house, so Im not against you guys. Im trying to find a solution so we can retain all of our rights. Why is this so hard to understand??
08-22-2008 | 01:04 PM
#33
Fork Horn
Joined: Aug 2005
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From: Fauquier Co. VA
RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
ORIGINAL: NEW61375
Check the highlighted area rick I definitely don't believe dog hunters do no wrong and have plenty of years of hunting in VA to know that sometimes the answer tosome problems is obvious. So if I'm stating the obvious that to me is not bad. What I can't wrap my brain around is how you guys feel if we make new laws everything will be better when you already know those laws won't be enforced any more diligantly than current laws. Nowthat to me is obvious but keep putting words in peoples mouths and assuming you know what we feel because we are typical "deer chasers", you couldn't be more off in your assessment of me.
In fact I never said to support Hokieman or his organization, quite the contrary I looked into his group and many things they support and oppose and it isn't for me because I do they think if they want help they would help other hunters. Here's a link to that thread(somewhere in the middle)which I'm sure you remember rick.
RE: Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance
I don't think we view it too much differently as far as the big picture(from the thread mentioned above):
Anyway, this is why I stay out of these threads anymore, tons of mis-communication rather than communication.
Good luck this season everyone.
ORIGINAL: rick64
Your stating the obvious and just make up anything else that fits your agenda.I expect PETA & HSUS to oppose any form of hunting.
The shocker is a hunting org.(VHDA)standing arm in arm with PETA & HSUS to oppose lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. Then turn around and ask for support from the same guys that they dumped on.
Typical response(Deer chasers do no wrong):All the problems are because ofthe Warden's/law enforcement, DGIF, Landowners, Bowhunters, Stillhunters, SAC, Tech. committe, VT,........hope I didn't leave anybody out.
ORIGINAL: NEW61375
Good points and do you know what the main two anti groups (HSUS & PETA)other primary target is..............everyone's beloved BOWHUNTING.Hunters won't be so quick to buddy up and help them ban that will they, but the groundwork is being laid now friends take the blinders off....initially reform sounds great but we are not the only ones involved....now there are people involved(with underlying motives)who truly want to "reform" hunting for us, it is no longer just us hunters trying to reform our pasttime.
ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche
Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section.
Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section.
The shocker is a hunting org.(VHDA)standing arm in arm with PETA & HSUS to oppose lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. Then turn around and ask for support from the same guys that they dumped on.
Typical response(Deer chasers do no wrong):All the problems are because ofthe Warden's/law enforcement, DGIF, Landowners, Bowhunters, Stillhunters, SAC, Tech. committe, VT,........hope I didn't leave anybody out.
The right to retrieve law is very specific and yes, often abused, but the fact that it is not enforced is even worse. If you drive on someone elses property to get dogs or anything other than walk on with no firearmyou are breaking the law, write them a ticket, fine them something.
In fact I never said to support Hokieman or his organization, quite the contrary I looked into his group and many things they support and oppose and it isn't for me because I do they think if they want help they would help other hunters. Here's a link to that thread(somewhere in the middle)which I'm sure you remember rick.
RE: Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance
I don't think we view it too much differently as far as the big picture(from the thread mentioned above):
ORIGINAL: rick64
That makes sense to me, in return for the privilege of being able to retrieve their dogs the penalty should be more severe for breaking the law.
I think we all agree, ifall Conservation Officers were more aggressive with the laws that are already on the books, this wouldn't be as big an issue.
That makes sense to me, in return for the privilege of being able to retrieve their dogs the penalty should be more severe for breaking the law.
I think we all agree, ifall Conservation Officers were more aggressive with the laws that are already on the books, this wouldn't be as big an issue.
original:NEW61375
I would agree with that. I do feel in many areas we need more officersand they also need to be actively enforcing the laws.
I would agree with that. I do feel in many areas we need more officersand they also need to be actively enforcing the laws.
Anyway, this is why I stay out of these threads anymore, tons of mis-communication rather than communication.
Good luck this season everyone.
To be fair, the quote from the other thread was a discussion about SB 263, a bill that added penalties for abuse of the RTR. Both of us know who opposed that and what happened with the bill.
The year before there was a big opposition to SB 884, that still puzzles me.
I see that NC has a proposal that would make it a $250 fine for each hound that is running on prohibited land, I think that severe. I believe some changes to the RTR and min. contiguous acreage would be a improvement from the current situation.
I'll just put my 2cents in to the public comment, haven't seen anything here that would change my mind.
You guys have a good season
08-22-2008 | 02:06 PM
#34
Fork Horn
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From: VIRGINIA
RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
I agree that thr rtr law is deff. abused. If my dogs are on someone elses property, I will try to gain permission or wait till after dark to try and retrieve them. If they are more than a couple of hundered yards or so I dont attempt without permission. I also try to train my dogs to come back home so I dont have to go on someone elses property. I also can understand a still hunters frustration of dogs interupting their hunts, every once in awhile should be expected and shouldnt be a big deal as long as it was not done on purpose and does not happen often. If once in awhile a hunter comes through my hunt looking for game I dont get mad, if it started becoming a habit and was done to hunt my land I too would be mad. I know that there are dog hunters that abuse the loopholes in some of these laws but most do not.
08-24-2008 | 03:15 PM
#37
Fork Horn
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From: Northern Virginia
RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
ORIGINAL: deerdogdude
most are, just like most "still hunters" are.
most are, just like most "still hunters" are.
Enforcement is lacking, but so is a basic level of respect between some hunters and some property owners.
08-25-2008 | 12:47 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
1 club chasing out of season can cover the area of 3 or more adjoining clubs in a day. If 1 out of 3 or 4 clubs is running then virtually every tract has some activity during the day. From what I gather it's more of a problem the more east you go in VA.
08-26-2008 | 07:11 PM
#39
Fork Horn
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RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
I AM NOT TRYING TO START A FIGHT, JUST CURIOUS!!
I am not a dog hunter but i was wondering if someone could explain something to me. I am all for doing whatever tickles your fancy but being a still hunter, i just wanted to know where is the fun in letting the dogs do all the work. Doesnt that take all the satisfaction out of scouting, hanging stands,sitting in them during the off season and then getting in the woods and HOPING you got it right. I just dont see the fun in having the dogs drive the deer to you and then you sit there and shoot them.Seems kinda lazy to me.
I am not a dog hunter but i was wondering if someone could explain something to me. I am all for doing whatever tickles your fancy but being a still hunter, i just wanted to know where is the fun in letting the dogs do all the work. Doesnt that take all the satisfaction out of scouting, hanging stands,sitting in them during the off season and then getting in the woods and HOPING you got it right. I just dont see the fun in having the dogs drive the deer to you and then you sit there and shoot them.Seems kinda lazy to me.
08-26-2008 | 08:32 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
ORIGINAL: jimmy28303
I AM NOT TRYING TO START A FIGHT, JUST CURIOUS!!
I am not a dog hunter but i was wondering if someone could explain something to me. I am all for doing whatever tickles your fancy but being a still hunter, i just wanted to know where is the fun in letting the dogs do all the work. Doesnt that take all the satisfaction out of scouting, hanging stands,sitting in them during the off season and then getting in the woods and HOPING you got it right. I just dont see the fun in having the dogs drive the deer to you and then you sit there and shoot them.Seems kinda lazy to me.
I AM NOT TRYING TO START A FIGHT, JUST CURIOUS!!
I am not a dog hunter but i was wondering if someone could explain something to me. I am all for doing whatever tickles your fancy but being a still hunter, i just wanted to know where is the fun in letting the dogs do all the work. Doesnt that take all the satisfaction out of scouting, hanging stands,sitting in them during the off season and then getting in the woods and HOPING you got it right. I just dont see the fun in having the dogs drive the deer to you and then you sit there and shoot them.Seems kinda lazy to me.