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RE: Too much doggie anger!!
ORIGINAL: Bigg~BirddVA ORIGINAL: eng40sqd vulture... If you would take a minute to read all of my posts on all the threads regarding this subject(forgive me I do post on seveal other boards so I might not have put all of it on here) you will see that I grew up a still hunter and am still a huge still hunter, I spend countless hours putting in food plots, scouting and shed hunting, moving and placing stands and all things that go with it and so on, not o mention the money I spend for the purpose of still hunting. I have had numerous hunts disturbed by rouge dogs and whole packs that were chasing deer and or foxes and oncea coyote. I know whats its like to sit thee and during the golden hour before sunset to have the silence broken and a evening shot to hell. I have also been still hunting and had dogs come through and not too long later had other deer that were bumped by the dogs come sneaking by heading back the way the dogs came from and gotten to harvest them. so YES I do know what he is talking about. I also know the amont of money that I spend on my dogs such as food (which I am a dealer and it is still insane the cost of it) kennel up keep, meds and wormers (just finished my monthly worming and it costs me about $60 just to worm them to keep them healthy) plus rabies and other vet bills. Plus the tracking equipment costs and upkeep etc etc... not to mention the gas involved in that as well.. all in the of season which is jan thourgh nov.. plus the time I spend with pups in rabbit and fox pens trying to strart them but keep them from picking up bad habits. I do have about half of my dogs who will run the hair off of a fox or a yote so I will take them out and fox hunt them during the summer but generally when oct gets here mine are in the pen until opening day because thats the way it is suppose to be. I am all for a sit down and reach a middle ground approach (once again refer to my other posts). I see you and many others say this but what have you done toward that other than just type it. Have you taken time to speak to local landowners both that allow hunting (all types) and those that dont, have you talked to other still hunters and still hunting groups in your area? What about dog hunters one at a time and or in group settings? WHat about your local consevation officer and state biologist? I have done a few things in every one of these questions... not saying I have talked to everyone by anymeans but I have made a start... and did this back at the end of last simmer when I started doing this and I am continuing to do so. All of this with the intent to have our own little focus groups to reach middle ground. I am also workign on putting a still hunt only club together and have some land leads to go with.. some with no dog hunting near them and some with very little dog pressure around, once I see i have a group of good and sincere people I will move forward with that/. I have run a rather large club so I already have most of the things in place except people. Rick has actually been on one of the tracts I am going to go after. Justin |
RE: Too much doggie anger!!
ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: Bigg~BirddVA ORIGINAL: eng40sqd vulture... If you would take a minute to read all of my posts on all the threads regarding this subject(forgive me I do post on seveal other boards so I might not have put all of it on here) you will see that I grew up a still hunter and am still a huge still hunter, I spend countless hours putting in food plots, scouting and shed hunting, moving and placing stands and all things that go with it and so on, not o mention the money I spend for the purpose of still hunting. I have had numerous hunts disturbed by rouge dogs and whole packs that were chasing deer and or foxes and oncea coyote. I know whats its like to sit thee and during the golden hour before sunset to have the silence broken and a evening shot to hell. I have also been still hunting and had dogs come through and not too long later had other deer that were bumped by the dogs come sneaking by heading back the way the dogs came from and gotten to harvest them. so YES I do know what he is talking about. I also know the amont of money that I spend on my dogs such as food (which I am a dealer and it is still insane the cost of it) kennel up keep, meds and wormers (just finished my monthly worming and it costs me about $60 just to worm them to keep them healthy) plus rabies and other vet bills. Plus the tracking equipment costs and upkeep etc etc... not to mention the gas involved in that as well.. all in the of season which is jan thourgh nov.. plus the time I spend with pups in rabbit and fox pens trying to strart them but keep them from picking up bad habits. I do have about half of my dogs who will run the hair off of a fox or a yote so I will take them out and fox hunt them during the summer but generally when oct gets here mine are in the pen until opening day because thats the way it is suppose to be. I am all for a sit down and reach a middle ground approach (once again refer to my other posts). I see you and many others say this but what have you done toward that other than just type it. Have you taken time to speak to local landowners both that allow hunting (all types) and those that dont, have you talked to other still hunters and still hunting groups in your area? What about dog hunters one at a time and or in group settings? WHat about your local consevation officer and state biologist? I have done a few things in every one of these questions... not saying I have talked to everyone by anymeans but I have made a start... and did this back at the end of last simmer when I started doing this and I am continuing to do so. All of this with the intent to have our own little focus groups to reach middle ground. I am also workign on putting a still hunt only club together and have some land leads to go with.. some with no dog hunting near them and some with very little dog pressure around, once I see i have a group of good and sincere people I will move forward with that/. I have run a rather large club so I already have most of the things in place except people. Rick has actually been on one of the tracts I am going to go after. Justin |
RE: Too much doggie anger!!
ORIGINAL: dogger69 Why all the anger when it comes to dog hunting?? I've done both still, and dog hunting and have enjoyed them both. Where in the heck does all the hostility come from? We can't be that far off from each other? If the still hunters were required to hunt with dogs before getting a "still hunting license", and the doggies were required to still hunt before getting a "dog hunting license", we'd all be in the same camp! FAT, DUMB, AND HAPPY!!!! Hunting is hunting,,, we just need to walk a mile in the other guys shoes before jumping to conclusions. Could VDGIF consider a "still hunting license" the same as a "dog hunting license"? Why not? We all make mistakes and we all need to be held responsible for our actions. Just a thought. Petey. |
RE: Too much doggie anger!!
If you want to run dogs then put a fence around your property to keep them in. If not, don’t cry when they don't come back. I like to watch deer and pick my shots. Not shoot at a flash of brown. My still hunting in no way affects dog hunting but, dog hunting does affect my still hunting. How is that fair? I have returned peoples pets and rabbit dogs that were lost. I have put shots across the nose of pets running deer. That usually stops them and they high tail it home. I have also dispatched a few that were wild, repeat offenders, or were basically trespassing for the hunting owner (usually a repeat offender). I can not respect someone who has no respect for me. Your liberties stop when they infringe upon mine and vice versa!
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RE: Too much doggie anger!!
I hope the cowards who shoot dogs get caught one day. You better hope its by the game warden instead of the dog owner, at least then you will jusy uh...GO TO JAIL. If you have a problem talk to the dog owner, if that doesnt work call the game warden dont be a coward a shot a inocent dog.
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RE: Too much doggie anger!!
deerdogdude.......No one should ever shoot a dog.....it`s stupid and a very wrong thing to do.......But what would you do if your hunt was screwed up time and time again on your private property and you talked to the guy or hunt club about it.....and it kept happening......then you call the Game Warden and it still happens because the excuse is always " they have the right to retrieve their dogs".......how would you handle it..????????.......just wondering .......any other dog hunters feel free to anwser also........
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RE: Too much doggie anger!!
ORIGINAL: brewman555 deerdogdude.......No one should ever shoot a dog.....it`s stupid and a very wrong thing to do.......But what would you do if your hunt was screwed up time and time again on your private property and you talked to the guy or hunt club about it.....and it kept happening......then you call the Game Warden and it still happens because the excuse is always " they have the right to retrieve their dogs".......how would you handle it..????????.......just wondering .......any other dog hunters feel free to anwser also........ Can'tthink of any other explanation,can you? |
RE: Too much doggie anger!!
I do have it happen to, The guys who hunt next to a piece I have just for still hunting turn dogs out(not on my property) all the time during black powder, and no I dont like it, I have talked to them about it but they still do it. I would never shoot a dog though. another piece(800 acres) we run our dogs on has about 50 acres almost in the middle of it that belongs to a still hunter(many run ins over the last few years) I told the guy what do you want me to do (he gets pissed even when our dogs dont take the deer on or across his property) not run the dogs here? lol But I try to call the night before now so he knows we are going to be around. I will give him credit, the dogs go across his land about 4-5 times a year(we got some non shooters lol) but he has never tried or shot one of our dogs. Maybe some other doggers can communicate with a still hunter whos land is near where you will be runnin your dogs, that you will be out there on a certain day? As a legal dog hunter thats about all you can do if your willing.
By the way his 50 acres is 49 acres of field and 1 acre of about 10 trees. The deer he hunts are coming from our piece. I know we dont own the deer but how are we the wrong ones when we run over there???? How are we screwing up his hunt? If he keeps it up I will do just what mello suggested and put a fence on that side up (about 200 yards long) and 10 feet high. |
RE: Too much doggie anger!!
I could think of 100's of excuses, my dog was hungry and tryin to get home, my dogs internal gps system broke, a bee stung my dog and he just ran anywhere he could to get away from them,etc.... But the true on is A DOG CAN'T READ lol. Guys if it is done on purpose I 100% agree with you, but a dog that comes from miles away????????? Why dont you just blame it on the deer for running that way? The dog is just chasin it.lol But some I know only a handful are never gonna see it like it is!
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RE: Too much doggie anger!!
It dosn`t matter if the guy has 1 tree on HIS 50 acres or 1000 or the whole place looks like a golf course and he sits in the middle of it in lounge chair with a gun........it`s STILL HIS and it`s PRIVATE PROPERTY..........and you are wrong to be on his land if he dosn`t want you or your dogs there.........You can`t blame the deer for running anywhere........it`s a wild animal under no ones control......where as your dogs should be under your control at all times.
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