I'm a Bowhunter, Rifle Hunter, and muzzleloader hunter, so I'm not one of those anti's, but I have a real big problem with local dog running coyote hunters, I purchase 80 acres of hunting land here in Minnesota about 4 years ago. I posted it. which I thought ment everyone, but I guess not.I would have never had a problem with them running there dogs, if they would ask, but its apparently its to much of a hassle for them. I confronted one guy ( new it was him cause I got a good picture of his mug on my game camera )Isaid to him, I would haveappreciated if he and his group would have asked me before they just trespassed,he told me he had no control of where his dogs go when they get on a track.What I don't understand is why do these guy's think at this time of year they can go where they want and do what they want on other peoples property. and we are just suppose to accept it.
I was kinda hopeing they would have been running this weekend. I crawled up in the old deer stand with my Rem 223on sunday. maybe could have shot a coyote myself,course I was more interested in thinning the dog population out a little bit

I'm not sticking up for these trespassers one bit. But you better think long and hard before you go shooting their hound. Several states have laws to help the owner ofsporting dogsif they are shot and know who did it. It could cost you alot of money, whether the dog is trespassing or not. I hunt with a group of guys here in Indiana, but they get permission for the area we'll be hitting before we go. But also there's times when the dogs simply go the opposite direction and get somewhere they arent supposed to be. It can be touchy. There is usually a "leader" among the guys who hunt with dogs. I would try to get ahold of this guy and let him know how you feel.

Taking matters into your own hands is seldom the right thing to do, and as was said may end up costing you way more in the long run. Catch them trespassing and prosicute! This may be the only way you'll get your point across to them to stop trespassing!

that'd be pretty messed up if you shot their dog. it's not the dog's fault, he doesn't know if he's tresspassing. just shoot the guys.

j/k. if they do it again just call the cops and show them the picture you have.

I know how you feel, we have the same problem around here too. But one difference is, more often than not, they are actually running deer with their dogs, but thats illegal here, so they have coyote dogs, and they are hunting "coyotes" when they are actually running deer. Most around here are too lazy to tresspass, they wait for the deer or whatever to cross the road and shoot them then. Makes me sick, usually starts about august, and is still going on now.[:@]

I would like to think I could shoot there dogs, and I would like to have them think Iwould shoot there dogs, but personally I am a dog lover myself. when my Black lab had to put down because of cancer I was a mess for about a week.although when I owned a dog and hunted ducks and pheasants. the dog was within eye site all the time and under my control at all times. These so called hunters will drive the roads until they see a coyote track in the ditch, let there dogs go then get on there radios and have there buddys waiting for the dogs to run something out to um. these are groups of about 25 to 30 guys, These guys never get any further than just a few feet from there pickups. They'll pull into an approach and climb in the box of there trucks,( useing the cab for a rifle rest ) and wait for a coyote to cross the road.---And they call this hunting.--- most of the time they just run deer out, Here in Minnesota we just received about 20" of snow,and personally, I don't think the deer need this undo stress put on them at this time.another thing thatpisses me off is that these fellas, can meet you on the street and not even give you the time of day,but you're suppose to stand there with open arms and let them runthere dogs anywhere they want. This kinda so called hunting can only help the anti hunting groups. I have hunted deer, ducks and pheasent for nearly 40 years. but this has put a very bitter taste in my mouth about the future of hunting. Thanks for letting me bitch. Steve

I've heard the "we can't control where our dogs go" line more than once. To me, that's just a piss poor excuse so the guys can road huntthe entire county. Guys let their dogs out knowing full well that the dogs are going to run into areas they shouldn't, and have just somewhere along the line come up with some speech about how their dogs are untouchable.

If you see how some of the guys treat their dogs on a daily basis one might think that a bullet to the head might be better off for the dog.

A few years ago I was deer hunting in the late season when I had several deer, followed by 2 coyotes, followed by 3 dogs come running like a raped ape in sneakers through my area, scaring everything within earshot. While walking back to the truck after a failed outing, I was approached by one of the coyote hunting party members, asking if i'd seen the dogs. "yeah, I saw them, and the deer they were chasing, and you know, those dogs shouldn't be here, just like you shouldn't be on this ground right now, either"

"yeah, well, we can't control where the dogs go" with a big grin on his face.

"Maybe you cant control where your dogs go, BUT I CAN."

Ended the conversation pretty quick...

Well, i dunno how lazy dog hunters are compared to people who shoot from a stand or blind, but i'll leave that one alone.

Coyotes have been absolute hell on small game and farm animals in the area where i own land in Illinois. A few years ago, two different groups of coyote hunters started hunting the area regularly. Now the coyotes are much less of a problem. One of the groups makes a special effort to get permission from landowners in the general area, although that is tough since dogs may run a coyote halfway across the county. I for one, don't realy mind, since I like to see the coyote population kept down, but i can understand how some folks might feel. One idea might be to have a special dog season for coyotes after deer season closes. But somehow, i imagine that some folks (not necessarily pointing fingers at folks here) would still find something to complain about.

I personally am a Predator Purist... If you cant call them in Let them be, Road Shooting, Dog Running, Running them down on Sleds, to eaches own... If it makes you feel like a man... What ever... Call'em give them the respect they deserve... I am not a biologist so I cant speak educated enough to why they are on the varmit list... But Im sure there is a good reason.

If you think about it... They are Probably the strongest animal out there, for years they have been Poisoned, Hunted Year Round, Shot from the Road, Shot from the Air, and Hunted by Legal, ethical and Illegal and Unethical Means, and they still Prosper on top of that all. You never hear of anyone sticking up for them as Animals, and there Perserverance...

Mike

Mike,

I assume that as a true purist, you have to be really good to call them within range of your stone-tipped spear or obsidian tomahawk[:-]