Coyote Caliber ?????
11-30-2005 | 09:30 AM
#21
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From: Peebles, Ohio
RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
IMHO the .204 is the way to go. . . you'll hear all sorts of horror stories with any caliber and any animal. . .
i've been shooting a .204 for quite some time and there's nothing like shooting a coyote in the eye from 200yds or busting a crow at 350yds. personally, i don't shoot much over 200yds on account of where i hunt a 200yd is near limits. . . but i have some friends near columbus, ohio who have a 500 yd shot and have killed coyotes with their CZ 204 at 400yds !!
its all about shot placement and ammo. they were using 40 gr hornaday's with hand loads.
the 22-250 is also a good caliber. . . .but the horror story i'll tell ya is of the day my columbus friend shot a coyote 3 times at 200yd with his reminton 22-250 and the dog still ran off. . . . my 204 will drop a coyote in one shot withing 300yds and he MIGHT run 5 yds. . . if i hit a rib.
but when i hunt the coyote i take my 1911A1 .45 for those close shots
try a 204 and see wat ya think
www.savagearms.com/12fvsingleshot.htm
i've been shooting a .204 for quite some time and there's nothing like shooting a coyote in the eye from 200yds or busting a crow at 350yds. personally, i don't shoot much over 200yds on account of where i hunt a 200yd is near limits. . . but i have some friends near columbus, ohio who have a 500 yd shot and have killed coyotes with their CZ 204 at 400yds !!
its all about shot placement and ammo. they were using 40 gr hornaday's with hand loads.
the 22-250 is also a good caliber. . . .but the horror story i'll tell ya is of the day my columbus friend shot a coyote 3 times at 200yd with his reminton 22-250 and the dog still ran off. . . . my 204 will drop a coyote in one shot withing 300yds and he MIGHT run 5 yds. . . if i hit a rib.
but when i hunt the coyote i take my 1911A1 .45 for those close shots
try a 204 and see wat ya think
www.savagearms.com/12fvsingleshot.htm
11-30-2005 | 09:49 AM
#22
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From: Peebles, Ohio
RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
desert doggie: have you ever shot a 204? if so, why do you think it doesn't have the "nutz" to drop a coyote?
you're more than welcome to come over to my farm and see what a 204 is capable of. . . during the winter i can get nearly 50 coyotes in an hour to come inlurking overa gut pile. . . with one well placed shot at any range that animal is dead. . . the "shock and awe" of the 204 is overwhelming to a dirty bag of fur such as the coyote.
where people like to bash the 204 is actually in the polymer tips on the rounds (this bit is from listening to others discuss the polymer tips). if the air gap between the tip and the core of the bullet is too large then you may get a splash shot (and this goes for any small caliber including 22-250)
to attempt to head this off, i often shoot the winchester jhp's in 204 cal. they work wonderson a running coyoteifhe's hit in the buttocks or boiler room !!
the next time you feel like getting prove wrong desert doggie, give me a call. all i say is IMHO and from my experience.
you're more than welcome to come over to my farm and see what a 204 is capable of. . . during the winter i can get nearly 50 coyotes in an hour to come inlurking overa gut pile. . . with one well placed shot at any range that animal is dead. . . the "shock and awe" of the 204 is overwhelming to a dirty bag of fur such as the coyote.
where people like to bash the 204 is actually in the polymer tips on the rounds (this bit is from listening to others discuss the polymer tips). if the air gap between the tip and the core of the bullet is too large then you may get a splash shot (and this goes for any small caliber including 22-250)
to attempt to head this off, i often shoot the winchester jhp's in 204 cal. they work wonderson a running coyoteifhe's hit in the buttocks or boiler room !!
the next time you feel like getting prove wrong desert doggie, give me a call. all i say is IMHO and from my experience.
11-30-2005 | 05:21 PM
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RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
All this 20 caliber fighting...makes me laugh. Enough pissing around, or you will scare the animals away. .204 is a great caliber, so is the 22-250, 220 swift and others. Personally, in my experience as a long range target competitor, hunter, and varminter, I will still stick to my .308 for my coyote problems. That is my preference, maybe not for others, but I never had a problem with reliable accuracy and total knockdown power. Safe varminting and hunting always...
12-01-2005 | 03:13 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
My personal preference is the .223. If your buying factory ammo, it is relatively cheap and easy to come by. Black Hills makes some great loads. The .22-250 is also a great gun. I usually hunt areas with cover during the day, and the more open areas at night. Seldom can I see much past 100-150 yards, so most of the shots I am taking will be in that range. At 150 yards, any .22 caliber centerfire will do the job. I've used Hornady V-Max's, and hide damage has been minimal on healthy adult coyotes. I vary between 40, 50, and 55 grain bullets depending on the situation. The 40 gr. V-Max's work great, and even at fairly close ranges I haven't had them exit. The only downside is I have made some shots at longer ranges where I hit my mark, but for some reason or another, the critter didn't go down. I haven't had that problem with the 50 grains or larger. The effective rangeon both of these is usually further than the majority of shooters can take advantage of.
If you are needing something where you will frequently be taking shots past 300 yards, then you might look into something packing a little more heat, like a .243 or a .25-06. These will reach way out and touch coyotes, but they tend to damage the hides a little more (especially at close ranges), and ammo can be a little more expensive.
Just my $0.02 worth.
If you are needing something where you will frequently be taking shots past 300 yards, then you might look into something packing a little more heat, like a .243 or a .25-06. These will reach way out and touch coyotes, but they tend to damage the hides a little more (especially at close ranges), and ammo can be a little more expensive.
Just my $0.02 worth.
12-01-2005 | 04:10 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Elizabeth Colo. USA
RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
the 22-250 is also a good caliber. . . .but the horror story i'll tell ya is of the day my columbus friend shot a coyote 3 times at 200yd with his reminton 22-250 and the dog still ran off. . . . my 204 will drop a coyote in one shot withing 300yds and he MIGHT run 5 yds. . . if i hit a rib.
with one well placed shot at any range that animal is dead. . . the "shock and awe" of the 204 is overwhelming to a dirty bag of fur such as the coyote.
And 50 coyotes on a gut pile in an hour. I'd like to see a pic. of your gut pile with more than 10 coyotes on it at any one time.
I'd guess that Desert Dog has probably killed enough coyotes to know how tough they are. It's really easy to tell when someone hasn't shot very many coyotes when they say that they have "bang flopped" every one that they have shot!! Or that they've never had one run more than "5 yards" after taking a hit!!
I like the my .204, but it won't out perform my 22-250! It will, how ever kill coyotes, and it does it well.
12-01-2005 | 04:51 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
ORIGINAL: North Texan
My personal preference is the .223. If your buying factory ammo, it is relatively cheap and easy to come by. Black Hills makes some great loads. The .22-250 is also a great gun. I usually hunt areas with cover during the day, and the more open areas at night. Seldom can I see much past 100-150 yards, so most of the shots I am taking will be in that range. At 150 yards, any .22 caliber centerfire will do the job. I've used Hornady V-Max's, and hide damage has been minimal on healthy adult coyotes. I vary between 40, 50, and 55 grain bullets depending on the situation. The 40 gr. V-Max's work great, and even at fairly close ranges I haven't had them exit. The only downside is I have made some shots at longer ranges where I hit my mark, but for some reason or another, the critter didn't go down. I haven't had that problem with the 50 grains or larger. The effective rangeon both of these is usually further than the majority of shooters can take advantage of.
If you are needing something where you will frequently be taking shots past 300 yards, then you might look into something packing a little more heat, like a .243 or a .25-06. These will reach way out and touch coyotes, but they tend to damage the hides a little more (especially at close ranges), and ammo can be a little more expensive.
Just my $0.02 worth.
My personal preference is the .223. If your buying factory ammo, it is relatively cheap and easy to come by. Black Hills makes some great loads. The .22-250 is also a great gun. I usually hunt areas with cover during the day, and the more open areas at night. Seldom can I see much past 100-150 yards, so most of the shots I am taking will be in that range. At 150 yards, any .22 caliber centerfire will do the job. I've used Hornady V-Max's, and hide damage has been minimal on healthy adult coyotes. I vary between 40, 50, and 55 grain bullets depending on the situation. The 40 gr. V-Max's work great, and even at fairly close ranges I haven't had them exit. The only downside is I have made some shots at longer ranges where I hit my mark, but for some reason or another, the critter didn't go down. I haven't had that problem with the 50 grains or larger. The effective rangeon both of these is usually further than the majority of shooters can take advantage of.
If you are needing something where you will frequently be taking shots past 300 yards, then you might look into something packing a little more heat, like a .243 or a .25-06. These will reach way out and touch coyotes, but they tend to damage the hides a little more (especially at close ranges), and ammo can be a little more expensive.
Just my $0.02 worth.
DITTO!
12-01-2005 | 10:24 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
The 17 is giving up a lot of bullet weight and a lot of energy to the .22 calibers.Those bullets aresmaller than I would feel comfortable using. Plus, ammo isn't as common and the selection isn't quite as good.
12-01-2005 | 11:05 PM
#30
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Coyote Caliber ?????
And 50 coyotes on a gut pile in an hour. I'd like to see a pic.