7mmstw v. 7mm ultrmag
#31
Giant Nontypical
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RE: 7mmstw v. 7mm ultrmag
Not doubting your ability to handload good, but if your gunsmith who blueprinted the action and rebarreled the gun for you was any good then you should have no problem shooting any quality bullet with 1/2" accuracy.
#32
RE: 7mmstw v. 7mm ultrmag
I agree with Stubblejumper. 1/2" accuracy or better requires a that almost all of the factors influencing accuracy are tightly controlled to near perfection resulting in a very high level of consistancy. Let's be perfectly realistic here; <1/2 MOA is OUTSTANDING ACCURACY for any gun. That level of accuracy on a consistant basis (one or two lucky groups do not count toward the consistancy requirement) is hard to achieve even with dedicated, purpose-built benchrest guns, let alone a light sporter weight magnum hunting rifle.
A good quality rifle is just the start of an accurate SETUP. Now if you were to say that a custom rifle, with all the accuracy work done to it, should shoot MOST types of ammo into 1 MOA, I'd say that's not unreasonable. But even a great rifle with crappy or ill suited ammo won't shoot up to potential, nor will great ammo make a poor rifle shoot well. BOTH factors have to be matched to each other.
I've heard that the large capacity, over-bored magnums are somewhat finicky, often showing a lot of fluctuation in velocity which is a factory in accuracy. Both because a bullet that is faster or slower, all else equal, will hit higher or lower (respectively), and because velocity and pressure variations also change the harmonics of the barrel, resulting in less than outstanding accuracy.
Mike
A good quality rifle is just the start of an accurate SETUP. Now if you were to say that a custom rifle, with all the accuracy work done to it, should shoot MOST types of ammo into 1 MOA, I'd say that's not unreasonable. But even a great rifle with crappy or ill suited ammo won't shoot up to potential, nor will great ammo make a poor rifle shoot well. BOTH factors have to be matched to each other.
I've heard that the large capacity, over-bored magnums are somewhat finicky, often showing a lot of fluctuation in velocity which is a factory in accuracy. Both because a bullet that is faster or slower, all else equal, will hit higher or lower (respectively), and because velocity and pressure variations also change the harmonics of the barrel, resulting in less than outstanding accuracy.
Mike
#33
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Boise ID USA
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RE: 7mmstw v. 7mm ultrmag
Well I guess my gunsmith demands a little more from his custom rifles. He won't settle for a 1 MOA, in his opinion that is factory rifle accuracy. He won't ship a rifle off to a customer unless he gets a 1/2 MOA out of it. I guess he just has a different way of looking at things.
#36
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Location: Boise ID USA
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RE: 7mmstw v. 7mm ultrmag
Bigcountry,
How many different powders did you try? I got some Retumbo to try with the 200 grain accubonds. Have you had any experience with it? Did you try and push it any harder with the H1000? Or did you just try that, had it work and not mess around with it?
How many different powders did you try? I got some Retumbo to try with the 200 grain accubonds. Have you had any experience with it? Did you try and push it any harder with the H1000? Or did you just try that, had it work and not mess around with it?
#37
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RE: 7mmstw v. 7mm ultrmag
Goodness, I have tried RL22, RL25, H1000, Retumbo, and IMR4350 with this 300. Yes, I had good luck with Retumbo, but not as good groups. I think with 200gr I was using 94gr of Retumbo. Didn't Chrono. I got 2.1" groups at 200 yards with this. I like H1000, and besides I got 8lb container of it.
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