thank you all for your input
vapodog i am contemplating the swift a frame they seem to be what i am looking for
as for weight retention + or - 60% is fine for me
and the partitions do the job well
i just dont want to have to locate the lead or any other bullet fragments in my animal
that is the reason i dont bird hunt i have never been able to get by when you bite into a BB
it just ruins the hole meal for me
and i dont want to find a chunk of lead in my steak either

p.s. thats just one of those things i am anal about

again thank you all for your input

I don't know if you guys seen a issue of handloader a few months ago showing how a partition will out penetrate a high dollar A-Frame due to the front not being bonded. I believe it was Ross Seyfried who wrote it. I killed a moose with a A frame. It worked, the animal died. Don't think I will use them anymore. As far as the partition failing when losing the front. How in the world do you guys know what it was designed to do or not. I called Nosler and the rep said it is designed to do that. Maybe he was just telling me what i wanted to hear, maybe not. But you guys are strickly speculating unless you come from oregon and design bullets.

If the way partitions expand is a failure, then I'm a fool. I've been shooting partitions almost exclusively for 15 years or so. I couldn't be happier with the performance. I love the way the front section expands/explodes. It does fantastic damage to the lungs, and yet, you can always count on the lower part continuing to penetrate. I've read that a-frames and the like might retain more weight and even leave a bigger hole. I've also read that they don't penetrate as well for this same reason. For an average shot at game, day in and day out, I wouldn't change partitions performance even if I could. Accuracy wise, I've always been able to get atleast 11/2" groups with most guns shooting 1", and some shooting signifincantly better. A great product at a fair price!

I can't even begin to believe some of the comments posted here calling the Partition a defective bullet . That is such bad advice for anyone asking an opinion. Here is the single most factor that interests me .....DOES THE FRIGGIN ANIMAL DROP RIGHT THERE DEAD or gets so busted up it doesn't go far ?. That has been my experience with Partitions... believe me I have had lots of bullets made by other mfgs that literally exploded in game so I don't use them anymore except to shoot at paper. I also have a life other than hunting and shooting believe it or not. I don't want to spend my life scrubbing copper or moly out of bores and smelling ammonia based solvents. This totally rules out X and Swift bullets in my guns. For a combination of great BC low fouling and accuracy it is extremely hard to ignore a Partition. Now with the addition of the Accubond a good bullet line gets unbeatable.

I have limited expereince with this topic, other than having loaded the Partition in .338. I have some for the .270 but have not loaded them as of yet. I also loaded the Accubond in .338 and really liked that bullet. It was the best accuracy of the Three I loaded. Barnes XLC, Nosler partition, and Nosler Accubond. I have to agree with the comment that the next 5-10 years will yeild some great advances in bullet technology. Should be fun!

Yes!! They ARE DESIGNED to work this way! That front core virtually explodes after the bullet has busted through into the vitals, and just makes a bloody soup out of all the organs in and near its' path! That's why the things are so bloody effective! If you judge a bullet's effectiveness by how closely it resembles the "classic mushroom", rather than by how well it killed what you hit with it, yopu are going to be disappointed!!

I really get a kick out of people who criticize these bullets for working as they are intended to, and also from the turkeys who complain "it just penetrated right on through without expanding"! Which of course is impossible for them to know about a bullet that went on over to the next county after passing through (and killing) an animal!!

Vapodog, I agree with most of what you say, and your knowledge and experience are obvious. But on this one point, I must take issue with you, inless John Nosler lied about how he intended for the Partiton Jacket bullet to work!! I have never heard of an AUTHENTIC CASE of a Nosle Partition Jacket bullet failing! The loss of the front core is NOT A FAILURE!!

Swift does NOT own a patent on bonded cores, as witnessed by the many such critters now appearing, including Nosler's own ACCUBOND!!

Swift machines their "casings" (jackets!!)?? If so, then they are making their bullets just like Nosler USED TO DO, before they started using drawn jackets!!

Vapodog if you think there's more than deer out there then you're not killing big enough deer. I've heard average deer hunters make this statement before and it's alright to hunt that way if your expectations aren't high or your area can't produce good mature animals. The way a big mature whitetail eludes most of us and the occasional taking of a whopper deer that no one had ever seen before is testament to the way a hunter's attitude should be to hunt them. Nothing is harder to find, hunt and shoot dead than a real Booner whitetail. Nothing, not an elk, bear, African game. Nothing compares to a whitetails' full range of senses and keen wariness. A mature 5 year old buck or older is the king of game.

I have taken over 100 whitetail with NP's. Never ever ever ever lost one. About 96% do pass though and about 60% of the animals drop in there tracks. The others usually drop with in eye sight.