Problems with sized brass from 2 different rifles
09-17-2007 | 09:48 PM
#21
Giant Nontypical
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From: fort mcmurray alberta canada
RE: Problems with sized brass from 2 different rifles
And I would also bet that barrels are not adjusted when then are mated to the receiver. They can not be changed. The only way it can be adjusted is tofill and then redrill the hinge pin(I guess you could also grind off part of the barrel). The only option is to scrap the receiver or the barrel.
It is not like a bolt where the barrel can be twisted in a bit more or less, or where the bolt face can be adjusted. I do not know how to adjust a bolt face-but I am assuming it can be done. Can it?
09-19-2007 | 07:00 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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From: Comance county, OK
RE: Problems with sized brass from 2 different rifles
"I do not know if you have read what Mike Bellm has written about headspace and the Encore, but IMO it is a very good read. Tom."
Yes, it is a good read. But one must read it with the idea that this guy Bellm makes his living working on Contenders and Encores. Not all Encores are as screwed up as Bellm makes them out to be. My factory .30-06 Encorebarrel has a small chamber and a a short forcing cone. It also makes .75 inch three shot groups at 100 yards.
i like to set the bullet in my Remington Model 700 loads so that it is .010 to .015off the rifling: This is too long for the Encore. i end up with ammo boxes marked fordifferent rifles but that is ok.
Yes, it is a good read. But one must read it with the idea that this guy Bellm makes his living working on Contenders and Encores. Not all Encores are as screwed up as Bellm makes them out to be. My factory .30-06 Encorebarrel has a small chamber and a a short forcing cone. It also makes .75 inch three shot groups at 100 yards.
i like to set the bullet in my Remington Model 700 loads so that it is .010 to .015off the rifling: This is too long for the Encore. i end up with ammo boxes marked fordifferent rifles but that is ok.
09-19-2007 | 12:40 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
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From: Rivesville, WV
RE: Problems with sized brass from 2 different rifles
Falcon you are absolutely correct. I have several barrel's. I have only had a problem with one of them. Unbelievably it was also a 30-06 factory barrel(24 inch SS). I had to size my cases about .003 longer with the Forster FL sizing die. Now they shoot great. But with regular FL sized brass I had two misfires. That Forster die works great. Tom.
09-21-2007 | 07:37 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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From: Eastern PA
RE: Problems with sized brass from 2 different rifles
I noticed that you said you set the sizing die down until it contacts the shell plate. That may be your problem. You should turn the die down a bit more until the press cams over. You may not be pushing the shoulder back enough to chamber in the Ruger. And you may also have a chamber in your Encore a bit larger than the Ruger but still within tolerance.
The best advice was given earlier - purchase more brass and use it only in the Ruger and use what you have in the Encore. I do the same thing for my 7-08 in my Savage and Browning. Not only for the chamber differences, but these rifles like different loads. I just mark the MTM box 7-08 SAV or 7-08 BWG to keep them separate in addition to the load label.
The best advice was given earlier - purchase more brass and use it only in the Ruger and use what you have in the Encore. I do the same thing for my 7-08 in my Savage and Browning. Not only for the chamber differences, but these rifles like different loads. I just mark the MTM box 7-08 SAV or 7-08 BWG to keep them separate in addition to the load label.
