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I began having issues with my lee classic cast and decided it was time to get somethng different. I was gonna get a RCBS rock chucker supreme but after I found out these are casted in china it made me sick to my stomach[:@][:'(] so instead I shelled out the 30 bucks more and went home with a redding big boss press instead.

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I didn't know that..........thanks for the info...........

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Next your going to say you don't shop at Walmart, Target,Bestbuy, Lowes or Home Depot?

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Well, that does suck. Well, my old RCBS rockchucker isn't. But I have been thinking of getting a sepreme. It figures I gues.

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I didn't know that either...Yeah thanks for the info.......

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Hey Tony, sent my wife to Bass Pro to pick up a Buck knife and when she came home and I was looking it over, it said made in China. Well, back she went for a refund!:)

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[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:o][:o][:o][:@][:'(][:o][:'(][:@]!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We can only do for ourselves but if enough people quit buying that trash it might at least slow the tide of corporate America selling us out...

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First, let me say that I don't think that the reloading forum is the place for your discussions and opinions about corporate America. Take it to the political forum. Second, I will say that if anyone is to blame for the manufacturing of goods overseas it is the American consumer. Take a good hard look in the mirror. We all want the biggestsalary with the best benefitsand the least amount of work. Yet, we also want the best and cheapest deals possible. We demand a high rate of pay for ourselves,but we are unwilling to pay the rest of America their desired high rate of pay. We cannot have our cake and eat it too!!
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steve4102, you may have a point with some areas of this country,as far as making big salires and not wanting to pay someone else to make a product. But here in the south where I live we don't make the big salires to begin with. Most of our jobs were sent offshore so the CEO,s and other exectuives could make more money.It's common to find a company where a ceo makes a milti million dollar sallery and quaterly bonuses as well, while the grunts may earn something less than $10.00 an hr, an offen much less. Try buying a new car while paying for BCBS medical ins. and a home and eat at the same time, thats why my truck has 244000 miles on it. I use Lee because it cost less, works as good and offen better, and aint made over yonder yet; I hope.

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If you want lower prices,expect the companies to source out to cheap labour.

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Show me just one example of a company lowering there prices,after outsorcing their product!!!!!!!!!!!!It don't happen, just pack the pockets of the big dogs

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Where did you "find out" these were made in China??? I have 3 RCBS presses. A very old Rock chucker a new Rock Chucker Supreme (2 years old) and a New RCBS Turret Press (3 months old). I dug out the boxes for the RC Supreme and the Turret pressand Both state very clearly "MADE IN USA".

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This is the way of today's market. Get used to it. Every one want cheap, cheap, cheap...

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I agree with Steve, we want it all, we want it now, and we want the best price. That will be the epitaph of the America we have now. You can't blame it on the Corp. structure, they are just doing what we as consumers do every day, getting the most bang for our buck. If Corp America didn't make a profit then we would cry about our investments doing poorly and not haveing a retirement. If some guy at the top can make a huge salery, what's wrong with that? They have been doing it since we were shooting flintlocks, why is itall of a sudden a bad thing?

Examples of lower prices, look around, that PC you are using used to cost 2-3K or more when IBM made them here, how about that VCR, DVD or Microwave we all use. I realize there are other factors involved but cheap labor plays a big part. Heck, when i was a kid in the 60's a box of .22's cost 60 cents, they only go for a little over a dollar now but look at how much the cost of living has gone up.

I didn't know Buck knives were now made overseas, kind of a shame but to be expected..

Doug

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Quickly off the top of my head,tennis shoes. In the 70's and 80's, shoes were much more expensive, now we found slave labor, I buy a set of sneakers for 30 dollars at cabelas by newbalance and pretty comfortable. And of course clothes. When I used to buy business casual in 1990, a set of docker cost 40-50 dollars. Now, I find them easily for 25 a pop.

Lastly, my company, used to sell 2.5GHz data modules for 25K, now they moved most manufactuing to thailand, we seel data modules for 5K and are 4 times the speed.

These are just quick things on the top of my head.

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I don't see what the big deal is if the casting is made in china. Making iron castings is low tech, dirty work. I wouldmn't blame RCBS, I would blame the regulatory environment in this country for forcing manufacturers to outsource some of their processes to countries with no environmental laws.

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I agree.... here's a short story..

When i had my gunshop, the "teamster" that delivered my smokeless gun powder to me was a friend of mine... He kinda thought it was funny that i was surcharged (teamsters rules) eachtime he delivered gun powder to me because it wasa "hazardous" substance....

Years later he retired and started a hobby shop... One day i was inhis shopand a teamster delivered some gas for the radio controled airplanes he sold.... He noticed he was surcharged by the teamsters for the "hazardous" substance and blew up!! He figured he was getting ripped off!!!

When i remindedhim of how funny he thought it waswhen "he" use to deliver gunpowder to me, he got so mad at me hetold me to leave!!

Seems it was just fine when "someone else" was getting screwed!

DM

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They do it to save money! There's several foundries around here that would be HAPPY to make those for RCBS!!! My nephue runs a foundry, and it's a real problem "every day" trying to compete with 3rd world countries on price!

DM

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Very true. Just an example. We manufacture fixtures at our plant and have been finding out that some companies will sell the same product we quote except there price is so low it would just cover our material without any labor. How do compete against that ?? The only advantage we have is that every one wants there order yesterday and can’t wait six weeks for the product to come overseas...

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There seems to be a whole lot of misunderstanding as to what a "Corporation" is. A corporation is not a half a dozen or so fat cats just sitting around and getting rich of the American consumer. Corporations are owed by stockholders like you and me. We invest our hard earned money into 401K's, 401B's,Mutual Funds and plain old Stocks.Most of us use these investments as retirermentplans. If the corporations we invest in do not make a substantial profit from year to year then the entire economy will go south and our retirerment nest eggwill will be deminished. As for the big dogs and the CEO's getting huge salaries, that is the price we as investors are willing topay for a succesful company and a goodreturn on our investment.

Another reason for the manufacturing shift to offshore is the corporate tax stucture that was implemented during the past administration. For many US corporations moving off shore was the only way to stay in business and meet the demands of it's stock holders (you and me). Just take a look at how the lawsuite filed against Microsoft affected the value of it's stock. Did the lawsuite hurt Bill Gates in any way?? Sure, his net worth (Microsoft Stock)was cut in half. Is he suffering because of this? NO. But there is a sit load of Americans like me, you, your mothers and fathers that lost a huge amount of their retirement nest egg. Did the corporation as a whole suffer? Not really. Did the ignorent and uninformed American public think cutting the leggs out from undera corporate "Fat Cat"was a good thing? You bet. Did it help the American public or hurt it? Well, it sure as hell didn't help.

All I can say is this, if these US Corporations are making such huge profits at the expense of the American public, then you need to get off your ass and buy as much stock as you can. Shouldn't matter what corporation you choose, they are all filling their pockets hand over fist. Then all you have to do is sit back and reel in the cash.

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HighDesertWolf: Dont' know where you got the press, but it's not an RCBS. Maybe a nock-off that looks like an RCBS. Check out the response from the people AT RCBS:

Thank you for contacting RCBS with your concern. Most of our products
are still produced right here in our factory in Oroville CA. However,
we do purchase some items from China or other countries around the
world. Any items we source outside of our operation are closely
monitored to insure they meet our quality expectations. The only reason
we choose certain items to be produced over seas is to provide our
customers with the best possible products for the lowest possible cost,
or in other words, to give you the best value for your hard earned
dollars. None of our presses have "made in China" stamped on them, as they are made here in the USA.

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I called RCBS today and was told pretty much the same thing!

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I totally hear ya brother!!! I do use alot of lee stuff too mainly dies and powder measures then I have 2 of there presses too. their products are quite affordable and still made here in the USA. Also the highest paying job I had was when I was self employed even then my 40,000 or so take home a year didnt really go to far with living expenses thank god my wife had her 7 an hour job + benefits which gave us both medical insurance I think our total income together then was maybe 60K a year buts its amazing how little even 60k a year will get ya. Now we have even less then that for total income. I drive the same truck I had since highschool it has 225,000+ miles on it 3 years ago we bought a newer ford ****** which we drive the piss out of because it gets almost 40 miles a gallon we've had it 3 year and already has 126,000+ miles on it and it had 38K on it when we got it. her car is finally payed off and I managed to save up a decent down payment and will be buying another truck here soon it wont be new cant afford new I will tell you this it will be the oldest truck with the lowest miles I can find that is still financable.

Steve you have a point but the majority of US citizens struggle month to month to get by like I do as I explained above. You cant blame us all if you want to generalize, your opinion would be more suited towards big wig CEO's and executives and Unions. I personally donnot believe in unions ive been offered unions jobs but turn them down because of my strong beliefs that unions play a big role in why somany things are made overseas now I also believe that overseas production will be the down fall of America as we know it and I want to contribute to that as little as I can.

to hairtrigger I do buy things from those store chains you listed but I do make an effort to buy as little as I can of products made in china I will admit its hard and nearly impossible not to buy things made in china since somuch stuff is made there. But if folks make the little extra effort and watch what they buy and pay a few cents more for something made in the USA and quit worrying about saving that 2 cents on a set of sockets and buy the the other brand still made here eventually if enough people begin to do this I beleive it will put a damper and chinese productions and curve some that production back to our soil.

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If the frame is cast in China, or any part made there, RCBS cannot put "MADE IN THE USA" on it.
The company I work for just forced a competitor to remove their made in the USA stickers with the American flag from their products for that reason.

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when I was out buiyng my new press I ran into a buddy of mine he saw me in line with the chucker supreme press and ask me if I really wanted to buy that I replied ofcourse I do. he then began explaining to me that the castings of the frame and linkage were casted in china and then shipped back here for final fitting and finishing, maybe in RCBS's mind thats still good enough to call it made in the USA. Anyhow I looked online and did a google search to see what I could find after calling RCBS and yes I got the same neutral response you guys did and I figured well what the heck if they are trying to pull one they arent gonna openly admit anything after doing a google search for awhile I finally came across a review that was posted on midwayusa for the chucker supreme press. now this was cut and pasted from midways review on the press. heres a link if you want to read the reviews yourself. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=513567

Rating:
Date Posted:8/31/2006

Review:
I recently read a magazine article on the RCBS Supreme. By and large RCBS manufactures a superior product. Unfortunately when I read that RCBS uses import casting of the frame from China I became quite disappointed. I am in the market for a new single stage cast iron framed, heavy duty American made press. I thought the Rock Chucker Supreme was it. It would have been if it were made here.


if this isnt true... now why would midwayusa go ahead and let this post through their screening process if it werent?? if it werent true I think midwayusa would be in for a possible slander lawsuit but even after midways screening process they still let this post go through so you know what I have this strong gut feeling telling me it is true.

PLEASE!! prove me wrong by all means I would like somebody to tell me otherwise and prove me wrong. I dont particulary care much to have the redding big boss I dont like the primer catch system I would like it very much to be proven wrong and I will take the redding back and get a chucker supreme and my 30 bucks back.

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Boy, that is disgusting! I bought one (old-style) off e-bay two years ago for $50.00. Sure hope it was made in USA!! I likeRedding, however. They make great stuff.

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the redding big boss is rather nice I do like it I will probably hang on to it even if Im wrong about the RCBS press realistically the redding was a bit out of my budget The little wife was kinda pist when I told her what I ended up spending. If im wrong about the rcbs press I probably should take the redding back and get the RCBS though. but it really erks me to pay full price for something casted in china jeez! if RCBS really does have these casted in china atleast pass on the savings I mean heck its probably costing them only pennies to have the casts made then turning around and making a 200% profit.

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So do you use leupold scopes?They claim to be made in the USA yet they use Asian lenses.

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Just curious, what kind of price difference are there between the two? Are you talking about a substantial amount??:eek:

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I spend a lot of time working in Chinese factories to fix their screw ups. You would be totally surprised at how much stuff is made there and then 'finished' or 'added to' or 'enhanced'once it gets here and then it can legally be stamped Made in USA.

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Well if a $60,000 yearly income makes it hard for you other people to function no wonder I'm having a hard time! I'm making less than half that ammount, and yes the executives are making very large salires. One large textile company here was having financial problems, so they decided to hire a new ceo. After giving him a $7 milliom sign on bonus and a 3.5 million annual salarie, he proceded to dismantle the company. Stock prices went to hell and the layoffs started! There used to be 14,000 employees, now there's about 1,300! But as for the RCBS Rockchucker supreme press, if it's really made in China, i'm sure the price in my Midway catalog must be an error. At $109 this can't be right, according to the way you guys say tennis shoes and clothes and electronics have dropped in price this press shouldn't be more than $45- $50 . The truth is that modern production equipment and advancements in assembly technics have far more to do with lower prices than making products off shore. Cnc machines are much faster than chineese hands, and don't require the thousands of miles of shipping. Besides the number of mexican workers in this country make going offshore unnessary any way!!

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I sure dont, I thought about them. but Ill stick with burris and nightforce.

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Naw just 30 bucks but its enough to be in the dog house or not:D

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Isn't it amazing that it's cheaper to ship something that heavyacross the Pacific, than to pay workers to build it here.
I'm with High Desert Wolf. I'll pay more to buy American, quality goods if I can find it.

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Like it or not,the list of American made products is constantly shrinking.There are fewer and fewer totally American made guns and even fewer totallyAmerican made scopes.In fact the list of scopes using American made lenses is even more limited.

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That's a fact!!!!

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hey stubble what about canadian companies? are you guys about in the same boat as the US with the contracts going overseas too?

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It's pretty much the same here if not worse.Canadians are more neutral consumers in that we buy more for value for the price with less concern about where a product is manufactured.I work in the oilsands industry,and a lot moreof our equipmentis comingfrom either Europe or Japan.I myself drive a Canadian made Toyota car,have a U.S. made Toyota truck on order,ride a U.S. built honda atv,and a European designed Harley.However,I chose each for the value for the dollar,not because they are all made in North America.

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Which also use foreign glass.