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There's a local furniture shop that makes high end furniture- (think about a $3500 chest of drawers, or a $4000 dining set and you'll get the picture) that closed up its local factory because it was cheaper to ship oak, maple, and cherry over to China and ship finished furniture back to the states. I have no idea of what kind of pencil necked accountant came up with those numbers, but it doesn't seem right.

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ofcourse its cheaper why else would they do it. its so much cheaper because China still uses slave labor for alot of their production. Also the average factory worker in china makes about the equivalent of 50 cents an hour. reason why wages are so low in china is because there are more people then available jobs and it will always be this way nomatter how many jobs we send to china it will never be enough to even things out since china makes up two thirds of the worlds population. somebody posted earlier that they didnt care if things were made in china because the chinese have to eat too from that aspect I kinda agree atleast we are helping them out kinda... but not really.... but thats not why I care wether if something is made here or in china. My reasons for not liking stuff made in china as listed.

1. takes away American factory workers jobs.

2. Quality control over there is so poor, even with product inspections to make sure things are up to par and still junk falls through the cracks you may not notice it right away but soon after things may fail prematurely from poor craftsmenship or imporoper materials or alloys used in the product.

3.The chinese still use lead paint on all painted products, even on childrens toys. Because there are no regulations on lead in china. most people dont bother to read the small fine print on the back of the package which states "this products contains a chemical known to the state of california to cause cancer and reproductive harm" the print is so small in most cases its understandable why you didnt see it. then your kids are putting these painted toy cars in their mouths and are being exposed to lead. its absolutely rediculous if things are gonna be made it china atleast the paints and chemicals needs to be regulated.

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i have a knife that my brother picked up somewhere and it says "USA SABER" in red white and blue on it then at the base of the blade etched in the metal it says "Made in China" i was like wth ? thats the stupidest thing ive seen USA SABER and made in china thats just stupid if your gonna call it that at least make it in the USA....

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Highdesertwolf

I would argue with you on your last 2 points.
I sell against Chinese imported products. Unfortunately I have noticed the quality of workmanship has gone up in the last year or so and rejected product has dropped. They still have a way to go but improvements are being made.
The product I see does not have a high quality paint on it but it is not lead paint

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Yeah well I could care less about price.......I'm willing to pay top dollar for quality as along as what I'M PAYING FOR IS QUALITY.....
Problem is your paying top dollar for junk.......

Maybe we should learn something here....
Lets export our countries junk at top dollar and keep the good stuff for ourselves.......:D

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Well it's obvious that most people disagree ,if they didn't,there wouldn't be a market for all of the imported junk.If there was no market,they wouldn't be importing so much junk,now would they.

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I don't know what you compete against but their aluminum is crap...
I'm a fabricater in a Alum Curtainwall Ind.....
Thickness tolerences and width tolerences and (the fact these 24ft lenghts are warped) are so far off we have to drill by hand cause the C&C can't do it to the tolerences needed....
What could is it getting precise machery if the material isn't.....
It will get better, I'm sure. Japan did it. Problem is, Companies will move elsewhere for cheep labour forces...
In 10years I predict Africa.:D

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Well I can care less if people disagree with me or not...
STUPIDIS, IS WHAT STUPID DOES......
When I buy anything,I look at where its made first....

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Jeff thats the first thing I look for as well.....glad theres a few us left out there...

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Just curious as to how you guys choose riflescopes since almost all scopes use imported lenses including leupold,even though they say that they are made in America.

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There are different "levels" of Chinese imports if you will.
There is the importing companies that just want something cheep to import. They are looking for the cheepest quality materials and labor. Look for this stuff in places like Harbor freight and Northern tool.
Then there is an existing company that is trying to compete with the pricing, they find a plant in china that will use their American spec of materials so the product is abit better but still made with the same cheep chinese labor. This crap is EVERYWHERE!
I am glad to hear some of you still look for the USA flag on products.

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However that does not guarantee that all parts used to manufacture the productare made in the USA.

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Right On! Many products are made in China and the Made In America sticker are put on the items here!

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Now would be a good time to list examples!

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As previously posted,leupold scopes boast about being made in America,yet they use asian lenses.Perhaps not made in China,but certainly not made in America.

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I second that one!:)

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That figures...No wonder Nikon premium brand optics appear to be much brighter than the Gold Rings....
But being assembled in America does mean something..Leupold durability/custumer Serviceis first rate..
Until they solve that hurdle,Guess my next purchase is Zeiss as long as they can talk english..

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"OK" i will... I was helping a friend work on his John Deere combine head, all of the replacement parts came in boxes that said "Made in China" on them... I know the guy behind the parts counter for my local deere dealer... He had a huge bearing order come in... He showed me that nearly EVERY ONE of the bearings were from China....

And, i bet most of you here thought "John Deere" ment American made!!!

DM

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Dm, I bought a NewFord 2000 3 cylinder DieselFarm Tractor in 1969 and all the parts were Lucas and had to come from England. Which I still have!

In 1988 I bought an S-10 blazer Tahoe with 4.3 eng which isUS made, butthe 2.8 eng ismade in Japan.Which I still have!

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the prodcuts you see may not have lead paint, but many painbted fence products including horse fence, hog pannels, and fence ties, wire and T-posts I have worked with lately must have lead paint since the products have a sticker on them or the packaging that that states "this product contains Lead a chemical known to the state of california to cause cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm" I know the metal used in the products surely dont conatain lead it has to be the paint they are coated with. Yea Id prefer to use products made in the USA for these applications but its difficult when all we have is home depot carrying this made china junk, i was told lowes might carry the same things only made in the USA but the nearest lowes is over 100 miles away so im kinda stuck with what home depot carries.

I bought a package of toy cars I was gonna give to my friends son for his birthday untill I noticed the packaging also toted that well known lead warning also. yea those toy cars went back to wally world. I instead got him some bob the builder stuff yea its made in china too but atleast it shouldnt contain lead. theres just no way in heck I would knowingly expose a wonderful child like him to lead.

Im not saying all there painted products have lead paint but enough from what ive seen do.

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10 years ago almost all of the chinese product I compete aginst had lead paint but it seems they are making improvements.
The owners of our factory went to China to look into factorys there and came back with pics of factory paint lines using lead paint and no safety equipment on any of the workers

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I've never owned a Ford 2000 but i know they are pretty good tractor, and a nice one bringsa good price on the used tractor market, especially the diesels...

I was on a sale not too long ago and an old retired farmer was selling a 3000 gas model that he had bought new,it onlyhad 1600 hrs. on it... It had been "barned" all of it's life, and it looked it!!! I didn't want another gas tractor so i never stayed untill it sold, but iheard he got a good price for it.

I have several tractors here, as i still do some custom tractor work.Ialsoneed one around herefor my own use too...

DM

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I ain't buying made in China stuff. Will buy used instead. Bought that Barnett Quad 400 crossbow. It would not cock. The sear that holds the bowstring cocked was backwards. I hang my crossbows by the stirrup. Went hunting, looked through the made in China scope and it was all wacky. The glue that held the laminated lense together had come undone.

Should have bought a Horton or TenPoint. The Barnett bolts are no good either.

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I had a ford 3000 with a mower deck to mow my fields on the farm back in missouri it was gas powered one it was one heck of work horse.

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I wish you guys were my customers!

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Here is my first hand knowledge of the new and better corporate world we live in. I am a seasoned veteran of over 20 years in the boat building industry, based in Minnesota. 2 years ago we were purchased by a big corporation, they are stockholder owned, so they have to cut corners everywhere. in my opinion, we use to build one of the finest products in the industry, now since we are a "corporation" I feel we no longer build a product I would consider purchasing or recommeding to my friends, as far as I am concerned corporations only care about there stock holders and not the consumer. we as concerned employees try to do a quality job withe the cheaper material we are forced to use, and when we try to address these concerns. we are told that, Mexicans and Chineese, maybe need to build our product, and they work alot cheaper to. I personally will not purchase any product that is owned by the people I work for.I fear that this isthe directionof most companys in the U.S

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difficult to compete without a level playing field... it;s not only wages... its regulations and taxes and safety and so on and so forth... if OSHA was world wide... my how things would change...

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Amen!!!

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We live in a disposible economy now. Nothing is made to last and it is done purposely. Ever wonder why new cell phones don't last as long as the older ones.

I feel it is the same as what is going on with the auto industry. I just found out that for my 2005 F150, it would require a tool that costs in excess of $2k to remove the fuel line to replace the fuel pump. Either way they are using manufactuing to get us. Hereand over there!

Tom

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hey bud I dont know who told you they cost in excess of 2 grand.... whoever did is smokin crack!! the special tool you need is a lock ring wrench Owatonna tool co. part# OTC-6599 they only cost about 60 bucks at any auto parts retailer.

heres a picture of the tool

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yep I know exactly what you mean......the company I work for (one you would definatly recognize if I posted it) is just like you said. We can have quarterly rises in profit, annual rises in profit, and they still want to know why costs are so high. Duuhhh maybe if you looked into why Marketing and Admin are having catered luncheons every freakin day maybe youd find your answer, instead of trying to cut people on the production lines.

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hey bud I dont know who told you they cost in excess of 2 grand.... whoever did is smokin crack!! the special tool you need is a lock ring wrench Owatonna tool co. part# OTC-6599 they only cost about 60 bucks at any auto parts retailer.

heres a picture of the tool




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You beat me to it. Stop and think, what kind of tool would it take to cost $2K to replace a $100 fuel line?
Believe 1/2 of what you see and nothing that you hear

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Is it possible that they guy was talking about a tool to remove the fuel pump? I really trust the guy that told me this so I'd be disappointed if he was wrong. I likely misunderstood him.

Tom

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In the case of the fuel line I blame engineers not unions!

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this tool removes the gas line, sending unit and fuel pump as one assembly from the fuel tank. from the many fuel pumps i have changed on the later model trucks I have never used any such tool that would have cost 2k to change out a fuel pump.

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Highdesert,

Thanks for the correction. I'm disappointed though but happy at the same time. Go figure!

Tom