All I know is that I am very inpressed with the accubonds so its going to have to out do it in both accuracy and penertration for me to make the switch to the scirocco.

After giving it some thought and looking into other hunting forums not too many hunters are shooting Sciroccs. Thatalone speaks volumes in my book.

About six months ago, when I heard the Scirocco 2 was about to replace the original, I called Swift and talked to Bill Huber. He said they were going to make the new bullet exactly the same as the original, except that the thick copper jacket was going to be a tougher copper alloy instead of pure copper. He said the reason was that the original Scirocco tended to copper up certain barrels pretty bad and the accuracy, while very good in some guns, was not as universal as they would like. He also indicated that the terminal ballistics would be affected by the change in jacket material; and that the new bullet would haveless expansion and more penetration - performing more like a Swift A-frame.

This was not music to my ears. The 130 grain .270 Scirocco is, IMO, the best all around bullet ever made for this caliber. I also really like the 180 grain in the .300 Win Mag. I bought all of the old ones I could get my hands on - a lifetime supply.

I have onlya limited amount of experience with the Accubond - one cow elk - but I think, given the choice between it and Scirocco 2, I would choose the Nosler as well. Lots of folks out here use the Accubond in the .300 Ultra Mag with great results.

Very interesting POP. Thanks for posting the pics.

I failed to mention in my post above that I have used the Accubond on deer and it has worked fine. Haven't recovered one yet since they've all zipped right on through. So far, however, I haven't been able to get them to shoot as accurately as some other bullets, but I honestly can't say that I've tried very many load combinations since I just don't reload as much as I once did. When I get my rebarreled Sako back from Hill Country Rifles, though, I'm gonna try and work up a good load with this bullet.

The post by Roskoe above has me also thinking about trying the Scirocco II. If they indeed changed the jacket alloy so that it's tougher and won't copper foul as bad, thenthe Sciroccomight be worth looking into again. But I'll never use the original version again for the reasons I previously explained.

Are the Scirocco's maybe just a tad too long to properly stabilize , I know they have an extremly high BC , and this is usually done by making an extra long taper, which will likely make the bullet a little longer. I don't know much about the copper jackets except what I read on here, and likely wont be trying them.

Jason,
I wouldn't give two cups of sour beans for all the Swift Scirocco's made. I came to that opinion after I bought a box of 180 grain .308 bullets. I like to nitpick and test to see just how accurate a load I can work up. Since Hornady came out with their Interbond bullet in weights I use I tested them first. Based on several different weights in .308 bullets I worked up loads in a .308 Win, .30-06 and .300 Win Mag. I had tested Hornady bullets prior to this and hadn't been very happy with them. I can't say that about the Interbonds. These are top notch bullets that gave excellent accuracy and great terminal performance. I don't think any one who uses these bullets will be unhappy with them. The consistency in diameter, weight and length were remarkable.

Swift came next. Because of the test I made and the results, in my opinion these bullets don't even make good fishing weights. The finish on them was rough as a cob. Within the one box of 100, bullet weight varied over five grains. Diameters varied over .001". Any attempt at accuracy in my rifles was a sick joke.

Nosler finally brought out the Accubond in 150 grain weights. Anything I said about the Hornady Interbond also applies to the Accubond, with one exception. The Accubonds gave even better accuracy than the Interbonds. The weight retention of both these bullets was 85% or higher. I wish these had come along fifty years ago.

That has been my test results. The only way to find out for yourself is to buy some and wring them out. Good shooting.

It's interesting how folks have completely different experiences with the same horse. I have had zero success getting the Hornady Interbonds to shoot in three different rifles. The 180 Scirocco will shoot 3/8" in my .300 Win Mag (Hart Barrel) and the 130 Scirocco shoots consistently .7" in my .270 AI (Krieger barrel). The 90 grain 6MM Scirocco shot very poorly in my 6MM-284 (Jeff Lawrence barrel), but I finally found a load with H414 that shot almost MOA with this bullet. A guy I know from Ohio is getting 1/2" groups from this bullet from his .243. Go figure.

Different strokes for different folks.

I had zero success with Scirocco's and close to the same with hornady IB's. The accubond have proved eager to please though in a number of rifles. Worked well on the range and in a variety of game(deer - moose)for me thus far, so I'll stick with the AB's as far as polymer bonded bullets go (at this point).