Nosler Accubonds vs Swift Scirocc II
06-09-2006, 08:07 PM
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RE: Nosler Accubonds vs Swift Scirocc II
What is so appealing as to the Swift Sirocco bullet is the huge BC increase over all their competition. If I can get them to load in my 6.5'06 AI, this is going to be my first test.....571BC is hard to pass up....turns a regular cartridge into a magnum real fast at 3-400 yards. Seems to me that if you are shooting long ranges, the Swift warrants a try. Regards, Rick.
06-10-2006, 03:15 AM
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RE: Nosler Accubonds vs Swift Scirocc II
Rick
This is the improvement to be gained by the improved BC. If you can tell the difference of .3" at 200 yards or 2.8" difference at 500 yards you're a much better shooter than I. Still, if I could get this improvement and not sacrlfice the accuracy potental of either the Hornady Interbond or Nosler Accubond, I'd use them too. However, that has not been my experience with the swift bullets.
VEL BC 100 200 300 400 500 500 ENERGY
3000.44 +3.8 +4.5 0.0-10.7-28.7 8.89 PER GR
3000 .56 +3.5 +4.2 +0.0 -9.8 -25.910.71 PER GR
This is the improvement to be gained by the improved BC. If you can tell the difference of .3" at 200 yards or 2.8" difference at 500 yards you're a much better shooter than I. Still, if I could get this improvement and not sacrlfice the accuracy potental of either the Hornady Interbond or Nosler Accubond, I'd use them too. However, that has not been my experience with the swift bullets.
VEL BC 100 200 300 400 500 500 ENERGY
3000.44 +3.8 +4.5 0.0-10.7-28.7 8.89 PER GR
3000 .56 +3.5 +4.2 +0.0 -9.8 -25.910.71 PER GR
06-10-2006, 06:38 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Nosler Accubonds vs Swift Scirocc II
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Rick
This is the improvement to be gained by the improved BC. If you can tell the difference of .3" at 200 yards or 2.8" difference at 500 yards you're a much better shooter than I. Still, if I could get this improvement and not sacrlfice the accuracy potental of either the Hornady Interbond or Nosler Accubond, I'd use them too. However, that has not been my experience with the swift bullets.
VEL BC 100 200 300 400 500 500 ENERGY
3000.44 +3.8 +4.5 0.0-10.7-28.7 8.89 PER GR
3000 .56 +3.5 +4.2 +0.0 -9.8 -25.910.71 PER GR
Rick
This is the improvement to be gained by the improved BC. If you can tell the difference of .3" at 200 yards or 2.8" difference at 500 yards you're a much better shooter than I. Still, if I could get this improvement and not sacrlfice the accuracy potental of either the Hornady Interbond or Nosler Accubond, I'd use them too. However, that has not been my experience with the swift bullets.
VEL BC 100 200 300 400 500 500 ENERGY
3000.44 +3.8 +4.5 0.0-10.7-28.7 8.89 PER GR
3000 .56 +3.5 +4.2 +0.0 -9.8 -25.910.71 PER GR
I had poor luck with the original Swift Sciroccos and such excellent luck with A-Frames.....Not sure I'll even try the Scirocco II when they are available as both the Interbonds and accubonds suit me fine. Actually I'm leaning to the interbonds right now. They seem to have better terminal performance.
06-10-2006, 01:15 PM
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RE: Nosler Accubonds vs Swift Scirocc II
Rick,
I feel a little funny praising Hornady bullets, I've never had top performance from them. That is not the case with the Interbond bullets I've tried. Terminal performance is almost unbelieveablely good and the accuracy while not stellar in my rifles, was still very good. the accuracy improvement of the Accubond over the Interbond was only slightly better than 1/8". Lets face it, when your talking about minute-of-elk, 1/8" difference will never be noticed. Good luck.
I feel a little funny praising Hornady bullets, I've never had top performance from them. That is not the case with the Interbond bullets I've tried. Terminal performance is almost unbelieveablely good and the accuracy while not stellar in my rifles, was still very good. the accuracy improvement of the Accubond over the Interbond was only slightly better than 1/8". Lets face it, when your talking about minute-of-elk, 1/8" difference will never be noticed. Good luck.
06-10-2006, 06:22 PM
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RE: Nosler Accubonds vs Swift Scirocc II
ORIGINAL: BigBob .30-06
Rick
This is the improvement to be gained by the improved BC. If you can tell the difference of .3" at 200 yards or 2.8" difference at 500 yards you're a much better shooter than I. Still, if I could get this improvement and not sacrlfice the accuracy potental of either the Hornady Interbond or Nosler Accubond, I'd use them too. However, that has not been my experience with the swift bullets.
VEL BC 100 200 300 400 500 500 ENERGY
3000.44 +3.8 +4.5 0.0-10.7-28.7 8.89 PER GR
3000 .56 +3.5 +4.2 +0.0 -9.8 -25.910.71 PER GR
Rick
This is the improvement to be gained by the improved BC. If you can tell the difference of .3" at 200 yards or 2.8" difference at 500 yards you're a much better shooter than I. Still, if I could get this improvement and not sacrlfice the accuracy potental of either the Hornady Interbond or Nosler Accubond, I'd use them too. However, that has not been my experience with the swift bullets.
VEL BC 100 200 300 400 500 500 ENERGY
3000.44 +3.8 +4.5 0.0-10.7-28.7 8.89 PER GR
3000 .56 +3.5 +4.2 +0.0 -9.8 -25.910.71 PER GR
range traj energy
100 +2.2 2670
200+1.8 2381
300 -3.1 2118
400 -13.11880
500 -28.81664
I think you will find that the .44 BC bullets are around 3 inches lower and have 250 '/lbs less energy ay 500 yards. Now, whether or not they (the SiroccoII) work as well killing things like deer is an open book as they are new and whether or not they will work in your rifle with your twist etc. This is a new bullet and it's worth a try as far as I'm concerned. If they are spastic, I will be the first to post that fact right here on this forum. 400 to 500 yard shots on my farm are common.....and I don't need a huge magnum to get the job done. And yes, inches do add up at long ranges.....if you are a average to poor shooter, these inches count even more. Regards, Rick.
06-11-2006, 01:51 PM
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RE: Nosler Accubonds vs Swift Scirocc II
Rick,
There is a little understood fact about ballistics. Any bullet of a given BC will have an identical trajectory when fired at the same velocity. It makes no difference on the diameter or weight of the bullet, just the BC.
You cited a BC of .571. It just so happens that the source I researched only went to .56 or, .560. The comparison I made was against another BC of .440, not another bullet. If I didn't make this evident, then it was my error. I thought you were interested in a particular bullet because of its high BC. I only sought to illustrate to you that the difference in trajectory due to a .120 point difference in BC is not worth serious concideration, IMHO, when there are so many other important characteristicsin the terminal ballistics of a bullet. Another error on my part was the understanding that you were seeking input on the swift bullet, and your mind was not made up yet. Now it looks as if you have already made your decision and only seek input from those that agree with your opinion. To which I can only say, I hope you have a ball.
There is a little understood fact about ballistics. Any bullet of a given BC will have an identical trajectory when fired at the same velocity. It makes no difference on the diameter or weight of the bullet, just the BC.
You cited a BC of .571. It just so happens that the source I researched only went to .56 or, .560. The comparison I made was against another BC of .440, not another bullet. If I didn't make this evident, then it was my error. I thought you were interested in a particular bullet because of its high BC. I only sought to illustrate to you that the difference in trajectory due to a .120 point difference in BC is not worth serious concideration, IMHO, when there are so many other important characteristicsin the terminal ballistics of a bullet. Another error on my part was the understanding that you were seeking input on the swift bullet, and your mind was not made up yet. Now it looks as if you have already made your decision and only seek input from those that agree with your opinion. To which I can only say, I hope you have a ball.
