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I think 3DXRing is on to something. I know it would be additional effort on the administrative side but flighting sounds like an answer. KEEP all equipment rules & entry fees in tact. I would suggest 3 flights, Championship, 1st & 2nd flight. Flights 1&2; $100 gift certs to the top 5 in each. Remaining monies could be split between evenly among top 15 in the Championship flight. Plus the top championship flight shooter would be crowned "World Champion"

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A hunter class and a real hunter class?
Flights do not address all the real problems.
As I mentioned before, take the national level events out of part of this and look local. 1/3 of a class shooting above 300 or 400 scores are killing the local clubs targets. It does not matter what brand of targets. An 11 ring will only take so many impacts until it is shot up. In this class way to high of a percentage of impacts is within a 3-4 inch circle on and around the 11 ring.
Again, forget the national events. Think your club, and a Sunday local shoot.
This is a two pronged and tough problem. We want you shooting this well from a tree stand, but we are killing our own clubs.
Right now there is not very much of a difference between open and bowhunter release. In most cases it is just magnification. MBR guys do not shoot me this is a discussion.
I want to find ways to get a bigger participation in MBR from the top level HC guys. We all know they are or would be very quickly competitive in MBR.
The way I see it MBR should be the second biggest class. (If it were oriented around real life hunting set ups. Like HC is presently.
Now it is HC at some shoots and MBO at others.
Also understand that our HC rule limits are minimums and certainly not an average.
Now understand that you or I are NOT who will be deciding these potential changes. We are talking about them.
What we come out of this will be what is discussed by the IBO Board of Directors and they will decide any of the changes.
We got some good ideas here. Lets get some of them boiled down to real proposals.
On topic and on track.
ken12
Flights are just a greater extension of the present problem.

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Do you remember when?
We shot the nationals at 2D targets, then along came 3D targets with the price of the targets. If the local club did not have 3D targets nobody came. Now everybody has 3D targets and again nobody is showing up. WHY? COMPETITION, MONEY, ECONOMY. The clubs are taking a beating because so many shooters are hitting the 11 ring. That was the ideal behind the I.B.O. 20 years ago, so hunters could cleanly harvest a animal in hunting conditions. I know this is a 35 yard max class but think about it, at nelsonville the course average on H.C. was 29 yards (i know because i asked the man who set them after the shoot) How many deer in hunting season are shot over 20 yds, around 20% i would say. The point of all of this is we want people to move out of H.C. Move to where? MBR- long stabilizers, v-bars bows shooting 310fps. Let me put it this way. This year i won the overall in H.F. class, i finished 5th, 2nd, 3rd, at the three shoots. I am 47 years old and it took me 20 yrs to win a overall. So after this year i have to move out, no problem. Move to where, MBF--LONG STABILIZERS, V-BARS AND SCOPES. Either we have more shooter at the local clubs ( most of which will be bowhunters) or we put the yardage out there so you don't destory the targets. you want my take on this, here it is. Make the move up classes the same equipment restrictions, BOW SPEED 280 MAX. In all hunter classes no binoculars allowed (this will save the targets) and yes as i said before FLIGHT the classes sp everybody might have a chance at something regardless of their score. But i do not like money payout, like i said before a chance at a title and buckle is enough. I think money should only be paid at the worlds. So there you have it. I know what ken is saying about local clubs and target life, but if we are going to get more shooters to the local clubs (which again will be bowhunters) who do not like long yardage. THEN 280fps max, no binoculars, and maybe no 11 ring.
DON'T GET TO MAD AT ME
TRIPLETT

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:D:D:D HMMMMM No binoculars, no 11 ring,280fps or less, 4inch fletching, short stabilizer, sounds just like a real hunting situation!!! Not bad,not bad at all. How about no turkey targets over 20 yds?? Naaa, sounds too easy.

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I love the 280 fps idea. This puts everyone on the same same playing field. I know I young guy that is really tall and gets 315 fps. He uses 1 pin in the hunter class. All he has to do is step up and shoot an X most of the time. Even someone short can usually get 280 fps with a little work. I 'll bet some of the guys that win all the time would have a bad time with 280 fps.

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Here in NY & Pa we have a league that shoots every Sunday. It is made up of five clubs and no two clubs hold a shoot on any Sunday. Over 36 Weeks we average just about 100 shooters (95 last week) each week. Over the last few years the numbers haven't changed much for the average Sunday shoot, but the classes have since the Hunter Class was added. On average 40% of the total shooters are using the hunter class. The important thing is that the numbers have stayed about the same as far as total attendance is concerned. Our targets are holding up considering the number of arrows that are shot at them. We normally shoot 30 targets and the shooting fee is $8.00 for the adults and the Children and Ladies pay $5.oo. Lets use a average of $7.00 per shooter considering that the men are the largest number. $7.00 for 30 targets means that the clubs are getting .23 cents for each arrow that hits the target. The cost of the targets is part of providing a service for the members and league shooters and must be controled by the Tournament officials. That is our cost and is only one club with our own set up. The targets can be the smallest cost factor if you want to do a little work in the community.
The IBO is the leading organization for 3 D shooting but it still has a long way to go as a competitive organization. The Archery in the Schools program is in its infancy and is growing more and more every day. Most of the kids in the programs are really exposing many other people to the sport including their parents. The shooters coming out of the school programs will need classes that will satisfy their skills and desires for now and in the future. Addressing the needs of the future competitive archers is something that I think needs to be addressed now. Any changes in the class system that we have now should be well thought out and possibly even tried on a limited basis for future and present rules and regulations.
The hunter class as it is, is the most successful class in the IBO class system. Numbers don't lie and there will never be a class that satisfies everyone. Any changes should be made by a majority of the IBO members and a few opinions can not represent the majority. Ken is in a position to poll the clubs and the IBO members by what ever means to suggest changes and make recommendations to the BOD. Any changes should not be implimented as a permanent change until after the IBO members have had one year to voice their feelings after trying the systems changes. We are all the IBO and when we want changes we should communicate with the appropiate represnetatives from our own area and or the IBO Office. All of our suggestions for change should be based on the best interest of the organization.
History has taught us many things about archery organizations and the IBO is the original 3D organizaton and will keep growing if we all pull together whenever were shooting either live or foam deer or other game.

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3 D X RING........I like your idea's about the 280fps max, no binoculars, and no 11 ring......maybe if you cut out the bino's you might not have to cut the 11 ring. Just a thought .As far as hunting the only thing you use the bino's for is to scan the countryside for deer and to check out the racks;) as far as I know there isn't any rings on the real animals. Remember I personally would welcome these changes in hunter class .;)

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Looks like this thread is going places after all. 280 f.p.s. no binos, keep the 11 ring. Make this a trophy only class, no money. These few changes would encourage those wanting to compete for money to move up to MBR class and accomplish the objectives described in this thread so far. If a shooter wants to shoot a more competitve setup he/she can move up to MBR and shoot the 5 grains per pound and shorter fletchings etc. At least this way it is a shooters choice to move up and not be forced up. It will however give them incentive to move up and compete in MBR or open. I think there have been a lot of GOOD suggestions so far in this thread, keep them coming. It is good to see the forum on IBO used to benefit all of it's members and give them some input on the sport we all love so much.

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I too like the idea of no x11, no bino's, 280fps. I do however think that at the worlds only, there should be a money payout (whether it stay the same or change) and also buckles. This will also bring and keep the scores under 400 or at it. This is the one thing that can be very intimidating to new shooters. But, do we count x rings for tie breakers? If we do keep them, guys are still going to be drilling them, because that will ultimately be what decides the winners, the winner at the worlds in 2002 had a 398 and 21x's, then as far as targets go, your back to where you started. Also, I think that this will motivate some shooters to move up. We must also think of whether a change in this fashion, or any change, will be a step back or not, will we lose shooters overall? thanks butchb

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I think we need to keep 11's and bino's. I think they need to create a novice class just like ASA. Have a 260FPS rule inforced, and have a max distance of 35 yards. I think that the Hunter class needs to have a max distance of 40 yards. I dont think that will prevent people from shooting up. The way I see it is .....The hunter class is one of the most competitive classes in both IBO and ASA. New people are gonna flock to this class just because it sems alot easier. I think they should keep it the way it is really. By the way this is my first year shooting...And I love it. We had some guys at our local shoots that I thought should have moved up, because they were shooting up at every tournament..Then I realized if I was gonna compete in that class that I needed to pracice alot more instead of crying about who was shooting in the hunter class...It made me want to be a better shooter... Which I have become...I THINK!:eek: