RE: HUNTER CLASS IDEAS
 

I see a big thing here.
I really don't know what to say .
Practice?
Shoot have fun?
I shoot mbr for the challenge of judging yardage.I love doing this.Is every one goin to get mad when a youth that has been shooting a scope for 6 years drops in to HC and stompes you .I think things in the HC are good . I shoot indoor 5 spots with shooters shooting 300 57 x's .
The best score is 300 60x's. My goal is to average this if they can so can i .Shoot for a score that you feel is good .So maybe you don't win the big title in your own mind is what counts.
IBO is for the defence of all us bowhunters ,and thats what Hunter Class is for to bring more hunters who only shoot two weeks before season out to shoot more and to make them more profishent in the deer woods.That where i started at . the guy that wonHC in PA has never shot an ibo triple crown until last year he's just a good archer maybe another Burley Hall ,who really knows?

RE: HUNTER CLASS IDEAS
 

Looking at the second leg of the national triple crown I see 13 pages of shooters times 25 shooters per page equaling 300 plus shooters for the hunter class. the top 6 pages range from 429 for first to 387 for 150th place. This looks like a pretty equal group to me. Not everyone is going to shoot up at every shoot. I do not see the need to make a shooter move up because he can shoot even or up on a range. I have not shot anywhere near even and I will continue to shoot the IBO shoots when I can. You will never have equally grouped competitors because we all have different skill levels. Some practice quite a bit more than others due to desire, time limitations etc. I think the hunter class is doing what it is designed to do, provide a shooter with the oppurtunity to compete with a hunter setup. I for one, like the way it is set up. I can shoot my pins, shoot in the yardage range that I am going to hunt in and hopefully become a better bowhunter in the process.

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Hoyt, I think there is a huge difference between 429 and 387. 429 is pretty much demonstrated mastery of the class and 387 is a great day for the average guy. Hunter class is fine, then create a novice class with a point system to move the good shooters onward and allow the new guys a class to shoot in without paying the way for serious competitive shooters.

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I cant understand why every one thinks that new archers will quit because of the high scores. My buddies and I did not quit because we got smoked. It made us realise that 3-d is more than just getting ready for hunting. The IBO should not make a class so a beginer or a guy shooting in the 380's can win. We all cant win and some of us just dont have what it takes.

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Bow-legged, they do. I've talked to them. Why pay $30 to "practice" when the local club charges 5? If you offer a class with a low cost, and a chance to win a trophy or plaque, you'll get more potential new members to the shoots and hopefully the exposure to the excitement of a regional or national level event will get them interested in shooting for competition instead of practice. Placing new guys in a class for money where they have VERY LITTLE to no chance of winning, gives some people the feeling of being taken advantage of.

RE: HUNTER CLASS IDEAS
 

First let me say that I hope this thread stays active, (and polite). There are a lot of potential ideas out there to be heard. I think that the hunter class success is great. I've talked with many individuals in that class, both in this setting and at the various shoots I attend. One comment frequently heard is a concern for a percieved lack of respect for the class. Let me just say, that is simply not the case. You can look at the scores and see that the performance curve is way off when compared to all other classes. Now gee..... thats a terrible problem to have, people shooting too well. One of the problems is that it is difficult to set the coarse to even that out. I'm sure we could turn a couple of tallented individuals loose to set that coarse that would spread a lot of those scores out. In the process though we would dessimate the shooters on the lower end. I talked with a pro shooter a year or so ago, and at the time he was concerned about the shorter average shots he was seeing on his range. His point: the pressure was too great, you simply could not drop a point and hope to have a chance. That was from a pro, but I'm seeing the same thing in the hunter class. Right now if you are not shooting up, you will not place. that in my opinion is out of ballance. I know and am friends with many shooters in this class. Some of them fit this class well, and some, in my opinion, are shooting a class way below their abilities. For these exceptional shooters, I disagree with their choice to stay in this class, but I respect their right to do so. Personally, I hate the idea of forced advancement. However, in this case I can see why that is needed. Point system for advancement? I am sure you will get a vote to implement it, but doubt you would ever get an agreement of where that split should happen. "If you make the cutoff right above my score it would be great, right below my score is unfair."

I am making it a point to talk with the shooters at every event I attend. The input I recieve there as well as from those of you contributing your suggestions here are helping to form a suggested course of action which I intend to submit to the Board of Directors for consideration at their fall meeting. Please keep your constructive suggestions coming. Your opinions and concerns are valued geatly if not always agreed upon.

Chris Turner
IBO Ohio State Rep.

RE: HUNTER CLASS IDEAS
 

just a small observation, yes, the hunter class is an equipment class, but how many of the shooters in that class came from other classes to that class, and how many of the top shooters have moved up to that spot?

if i am not mistaken the awards are given in the hc on the lewis class system at the world shoot, i am not sure about the triple crown, but that doesnt help when 64 of 314 shooters shoot over 400 as in erie, or bedford, over 100 shooters out of 354 shot over 400...there really isnt much room to add yardage to make a range a little more difficult, eliminating the 11 ring will not help, the shooters ability is gone from being challenged to a spot shoot. if you miss the 11 ring you are beat......i shoot the mbo class, and must say on a very good day could not shoot some of the scores being posted in that class...

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Take a look at the scores in other classes
MBR Southern Triple Crown- 1st leg 416, 2nd leg 411, 3rd leg 413
MBO Southern Triple Crown- 1st leg 413, 2nd leg 412, 3rd leg 404
MSR Southern Triple Crown- 1st leg 412, 2nd leg 401, 3rd leg 404

Bedford
MBR- 409, MBO- 421, MSR- 420
ERIE
MBR-412, MBO-420, MSR-413
My point is if you dont shoot up you are not going to win in most classes, should MBR move up to MBO, MBO to SPM, MSR to PSR?

RE: HUNTER CLASS IDEAS
 

I don't think that the argument is that there are scores that high. I think its more the percentage of scores that are that high.

Erie = MBR 10 out of appox. 130 shooters 400+
MBO 24 out of approx. 300 shooters 400+
HC 64 out of approx 314 shooters 400+

Bedford = MBR 10 out of approx. 130 shooters 400+
MBO 10 out of approx. 350 shooters 400+
HC 115 out of approx. 354 shooters 400+

The bottom scores in all of the classes remain comparable. The top end in this class only stands out. Nearly 1/3 of the class in Bedford shot 400+.

RE: HUNTER CLASS IDEAS
 

I for one would like to see some changes also. I shoot the HC class and yes I am shooting over 400 or very near almost everytime. What changes who knows. I am not sure there is an answer to it. I for one would like to see a money payout. More entry fee for the ones who want to shoot for money (Only). No trophies. Keep the class the same except for that. Even $5 dollars and the whole $5 goes to the pot may help. Then give trophies to the guys who don't want to pay the extra. Just my thoughts.