1st tom jarels 396 19x
2nd kevin miller 392 14x
3rd matt burrows 392 12x
4th bartman 391 14x
5th loren robinson 390 20x
6th david dirschell 390 17x
7th bobby means 390 15x
8th todd hinkel 388 21x
9th kyle white 388 19x
10th jerry whittington 388 17x
11th steve stark 388 13x[:@]

Amen. 3rd sounds better than tenth. But those guys sure shot the heck out of the 11 ring.
Matt

check out your classes and see how bad or good you could have done!! Take a look at the PRO' S Nathan (OUCH)

Looks to me as though weare turnig into a spot shooting organization ,what happened to the word bowhunting in I.B.O ???? give me back the way it used to be.[X(]

Amen to the old way. I talked to a friend today who shoots in the HC, he told me that a shooter at Gem City in the HC shot all 10' s, but had a low x(11) count. He shot like 5 or 6 up, and was beat by several other shooters who shot a few 8' s and 5' s but had a high x-counts. Now to me the guy who shoots NO 8' s or 5' s, is by far the BETTER shooter. PLEASE IBO, go back to " THE OLD WAY" . I am impressed Bartman how you broke down the scores in the MBO to show what the top guys would have shot without the 11-ring. I myself would have shot a 373 with 13-x' s, which is about par for me and I,m happy with that. The major concern as I see it, at Nelsonville there were 12 shooters in the MBO who shot above 400, which screws up the score standings for the top 30 shooters. Last year I qualified for the World at all three legs with a 5-6 point cushion in making the top 20. This year due to the 11-ring I missed the top 20 by 5-6 points because it spreads out the scores more. Bah-humbug on the 11-ring. Shoot the (other) organization if you want to shot up.

Question is, did all the shooters you have listed shoot from the the same stakes, the same course and under the same rules going in as the rest of the competitors, was the 10ring the same size for all and was the 11 ring the same. The game is the game and hunting is hunting. The 11s are not a gift, but a combination of skill and some luck. The game has changed and the person that is winning is not winning because he has not earned it.
The people at the top of each class want to stay there, so if you are going to beat them do it with your bow not the rule book.

First off, let me say that for me the scoring system makes very little difference. The shooter recording the most points under any system will win. The increased point spread is a concern, but only as it may serve to discourage new shooters. maybe. The arguments about what combination of hits is the best is fairly weak in my view point. 40- 8' s score the same as 10-5' s, 15-8' s and 15-10' s. Should we not score the 10' s so that you can not make up th 5' s? Any combination can be manipulated to say that combination A is better than combination B. As far as not looking like a " Hunting " organization.....what are we supposed to shoot like? I know that the 11 ring has caused me to focus harder on the smaller mark. The many people that I talk with are seeing this as well. Now from my hunting view point, I would have to say that is a very positive thing. As several people have pointed out in the past, 3D is not hunting , but rather a game we play to help train ourselves to be better. The goal of every hunter should be to make the most accurate shot possible. To that end, I feel that the new 11 ring scoring system is serving its role very well.