I don't believe that most of the shooters who are spending their money for Nationals & Worlds go to these events to hone & practice their skills. Most of the shooters who just want to practice their skills can do so at various clubs closer to their home and pay a lot less to practice. Sure, we all go for fun, but, I think most people, including me is in HC/FHC because we are not good enough as of yet at the longer ranges. When we get better, then we will move up. So why should we be penalized for just starting out? We sure aren't going to start out at the longer ranges & lose all of our arrows & look ridiculous. Why in the world would the IBO allow the better shooters to move back down to the HC? That's a poor excuse not to give deserved money to the winner of the HC. To me, it's quite simple: don't let the shooters who have a high score that is in a class above HC move back! (I'm sure you can come up w/ a number; say anyone who shoots a 380 & higher) The people that shoot HC/FHC deserve the same treatment & awards as all the other classes? What in the world is the Trophy Class for?! The archers in HC/FHC pay the same entry fees & have to qualify the same, so we should get the same benefits!! If not we shouldn't have to pay the same entry fee. This just gives the IBO more profit.
The certificates are a nice idea & should be given out in all classes except semi-pro, pro, & trophy classes.
As for the SOY program, I think the same shooter who wins their classes to begin with, will also win SOY. The members will just be paying extra to give those shooters more money. We already have a winner for each class!! (By the way, is the IBO going to put any of their profit toward this?)

HC entrants do not pay the same entry fees atthe National Championship Triple Crown. The same dollars from your entry fees are put into the purse at the World as the other classes.The cash awards are capped. The dollars that are left are put into awards for the class. Those awards were sent out last week.We bought 98 gift certificates for the HC's.
Just for the heck of it I looked at the top shooters at the worlds(in HC). I noticed that it is still infested with shooters that probably should be shooting either MBO or MBR. If this change for this year does not gear the class further in the direction that we are looking for, further adjustments will be made.
As far as basing class selection on score; at which range? At what level of difficulty?
AS far as your comments about IBO making more profit from a HC shooter, you are wrong there also. The percentage to IBO is the same for all shooters.
FYI, in parlaying the monies for the gift certificates; we were able to purchase more in gift certificates that the dollars that we had for the purchase. So in actuality the HC got a better return than any other class.
ken12

If I have to hear one more HC shooter cry I think I will vomit. If you want to be treated like a big boy (prize money and all) then shoot with the big boys, otherwise shut up.

BowPro, you mention a change in HC to get the class more in the intended direction. What would that be? Thanks.

Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."

No changes now.
The results from 02 have to sink in and we will see how the changes in 02 affect 03.
ken12

Thanks BowPro. I think you'd have to agree that if HC is intended as an entry level class, a new shooter seeing scores in the 380's & 90's might wonder. For some people it's "just for fun", no care about the high scores, just their's. For others that wish to be competitive, it can be overwhelming. In some shotgun sports, a shooter is required to move up after winning X number of times in their class. They cannot move back down. Trapshooting has the handicap system. Maybe the top shooters could be moved to the green stakes, if they wish to shoot HC. I'm sure there's no easy answer, but if new shooters are starting in HC, going up against shooters that belong in higher classes won't help to add new blood.
ARCHERYXPERT, just curious, what class are you in? You're apparently an expert, given the screen name. What are your thoughts on this?
BTW, I don't care about the prize money much. I don't expect to support my family by shooting 3D. So I'm more interested in shooting well. But it's nice to feel one has a chance.

Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."

Edited by - pdq 5oh on 10/21/2002 20:32:51

pdq 50h: I shoot MBO in the IBO and Open B in the ASA it you must know. The HC should be for New shooters only one year in the class then out. The MBR class is only 10 yds more, ten little steps Let the new guys and beginners have a shot at winning a national tournament.The asa has a similar class, it is for first year shooters and shooters who shot in that class the prev. year and did not win any money.You can not shoot in that class after you have shot in any other class. These guys who want to go into the HC and shoot 396 to make them feel big are a joke.

Fastsfletch: I am not here to promote archery I am here to shoot, and I am entitled to my opinion just as you are yours, it's just that i don't cry about mine. My point is this if you don't like the class or the organizations that you shoot in get out and move on, but please quit crying about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Xpert, why not take your own advice: Move on or quit crying about it.
There is nothing wrong with change, or someone trying to promote change. If you don't like it, don't read and quit crying about it.
I personally don't care about the prize money in HC, but others may. If they want to advocate a for a change they certainly can - they'll either be successful, or not.
Either way, it doesn't sound like it has an effect on you, so quit crying about it.

RUSTY: YOU SOUND A LITTLE DEFENSIVE YOU MUST BE ONE THOSE CRYING ABOUT THE HC MONEY. I PERSONALY AM NOT CRYING I STATED ONCE THAT BEATING THE HC DEAD HORSE WAS GETTING BORING TO READ IN EVERY FORUM. AFTER THAT I SIMPLY RESPONDED TO PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF WHO TRY AND DEFEND THE ENDLESS BICKERING ABOUT THE HC MONEY SITUATION. LIKE I SAID BEFORE IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE HC MONEY SITUATION MOVE TO ANOTHER CLASS, IF THAT OFFENDS YOU I APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT KNOW SO MANY SHOOTERS AND HUNTERS HAD SUCH DELICATE FEELINGS.

Bowperson, You said "Should we be penalized for just starting out? We sure aren't going to start out at the longer ranges and lose our arrows and look ridiculous." How do you think that 90% of the people shooting today started out? HC has only been around for 3 years. That was just a fact of life 4 years ago when you started out. And get this- back then MBR was your entry level class, with a max yardage of 50 yards. That was the plain and simple reason behind starting Hunter Class- so that the IBO could attract more entry level shooters into their ranks.

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