Bowperson: The joke of a 396 in HC is not the score itself but the level at which the score was reached. If you can shoot anything over a 390 you are most certainly not a beginner and do not belong in the HC!!!!!!!!!! It would be like playing one on one basketball with your 12 year old son and beating him 25 to zero, that is the joke. It does not make the HC a lower class, just a different class that is geared for beginners. The only way to keep more accomplished shooters out of the HC is simply not awarding big dollars to win in that class. Then they will move back up the food chain, MBO and MBR is were these shooter belong because their is no restriction on experience or skill.

bluejacket, thanks for these words: "When referring to entry level shooters, we are not always referring to new shooters. You have to remember the real purpose of the IBO. They promote, advocate, and educate hunting or hunters. The game of 3D is a fantastically successful way to encourage the bowhunting populace to pick up their bows all year long. It also offers a way to combine the intencity of the target archer with the determination of the bowhunter. The combined effect is a very accurate hunter who is very familiar with his/her equipment and its limitations."

This is where the equipment rules are lax. I don't know how the IBO can identify a hunting bow, but it certainly isn't bright blue with chrome cams & accessories. I suppose the real problem lies in the shooters that don't belong in the class. I realize there are shooters out there that can, and do, shoot high scores. But they should be moved along, and kept out of HC after they are moved up.

Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

pdq 5oh, While I understand your feelings regarding target bows, it is not that easy. I know that I can not tell how much experience someone has by the color of their bow. To some people a bright sparkly, chrome trimmed bow is just pretty. To be honest, more are probably sold for that factor than for their performance features. Now would you or I or anyone else who grew up around hunting carry such a bow into the woods hoping for hunting success? No. But that is not to say that noone would. I am sure there is someone out there who hunts with a fully tripped out target bow. There are just too many different personalities to rule that out.

As for drop backs, we also have to recognize that there are legitimate reasons for people to want to drop down into that class. I know of people who have trouble seeing well beyond 30 or so yards. Then there are physical impairments which limit how well an individual can shoot. I also know of people who have burned out on the upper competition. All of these people are struggling trying to hold on to their participation in this game for as long as they can. These individuals will usually place mid to 3/4 up on the list of shooters. Once in a while they may still put together a great day of shooting. They are not really the problem. The problem arises from those individuals who were tough competition in the upper ranks, but never quite made it all the way. When they drop for the sole purpose of trying to defeat a &quot;entry&quot; class shooter, it becomes very demoralizing. That class can and will be won by shooters who progress their way through it. I would not be surprised to find someone start shooting this year, enter that class as a newbie and dominate come worlds. I just hope that he then carries on to teach the rest of us a thing or two about shooting as he/she progresses through the rest of the class structure.

I just don't understand why people have to bitch and complain about every little thing that someone else does or doesn't do .We all know that alot of the shooters in HC are people that should be shooting in another class. If that is what class they want to shoot in so be it. Just shoot your class and QUIT complaining about the HC. I am and I am sure that everyone is sick of hearing about it. Personally I can't wait til 3-D season starts again.I get bored setting a treestand and not getting to shoot, when you go to a 3-D shoot I can promise you that you will get to shoot at least 30 times.



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Jump up a class or two and quit





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Fastfletch: To answer your question, for me....no. I started shooting in MBO when I was only using my hunting bow setup. I competed for 2 years that way before adding a scope, then stabiliser ect. When I eventually win, I will have done so defeating the toughest competition I could find. The challenge of getting there and the improvements along the way are my reward. Any thing else will just be gravy.

I don't think the color of your bow make's you shoot better then shooting a camo colored bow.Most of the guy's shooting in the HC Class are shooting bows with a camo paint job on them,color makes NO differnece.I cannot beleive the crying and whining that go's on here about the people shooting in the HC class,if you don't like getting beat,learn to shoot better.You can change all the rule's you want to,but,the better shooter's are alway's going to be at the top.What do you guy's want the I.B.O. to do?Keep changing the rule's until you find a class you can win in?We shot behind some guy's at a local shoot,they dropped back to the HC class thinking how much easier it was going to be for them to win.They told us what a suprise they got by going back with the fixed pins and the competition level.So I don't beleive it would matter what rules you change.I don't beleive you should penalize a person because he or she shoots a good score,or has the ability to do so,90 percent of the people shooting are shooting to have a good time and to help with there hunting.There can only be one winner in each class.Archery is 90 percent mental,with this kind of attitude,most of you are beat before you shoot you first arrow.Ask yourself this,what seperates the guy's shooting the 390's score's from yourselve's,they KNOW they can shoot the high score's.By the way,I shoot in the mid 270's,can the IBO set up a class for me so I can win something also??

bluejacket, I understand the color of a bow doesn't determine how it will shoot. I also understand that equipment rules have got to be very hard to set. I just don't feel the intent of HC is well served, as it is now. I constantly work to improve my shooting and range estimating skills. Hopefully I can get there. I appreciate you're taking the time to answer my concerns in a friendly manner.
durangoshooter, you were one that was less than &quot;friendly&quot; in another thread I participated in. Maybe you need to learn better stand placement.
This thread seems to be deteriorating, so I'll go now. Thanks to those who answered constructively. To those who didn't.......
I was thinking (dangerous). This is not bitching, but the concerns of what the IBO is trying to attract with HC, new shooters.

Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - pdq 5oh on 10/28/2002 09:15:15

Not really meaning to be &quot;unfriendly&quot; if that is how I come across.....I am sorry. But like I said I just get tired of hearing all the crying about the HCagain I'm sorry to have stepped on anyones toes lets all be friends and be happy

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So, what's worse: Someone crying about HC; or someone crying about someone crying about HC?
Or, could it be someone crying about someone crying about someone crying about HC?
I just, accidentally, used a hammer on my thumb. So if you want to hear something other than crying, open your window and listen - you can probably hear me. Well, maybe a little crying.