NY DEER HUNTER SURVEY
01-07-2005, 09:47 PM
#11
Join Date: Nov 2004
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RE: NY DEER HUNTER SURVEY
I would like to see minimum antler size for all seasons.I don't like the idea of muzzle in between bow season.I would like to see a longer(a month or more) exclusive late season for muzzleloaders.Hunt early with the bow and then leave the late season for blackpowder hunters.I like the idea of shotgun opening on the Saturday before Thanksgiving.I hunted with my muzzleloader only this season but it doesn't matter what gun you have in your hand if you don't even see a deer.
01-07-2005, 10:14 PM
#13
Join Date: Feb 2004
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RE: NY DEER HUNTER SURVEY
If I was the dictator and I what I said was it, I would mandate the following changes, in order of preference:
1.) Lower the legal deer hunting age for shotgun in Southern Zone from 16 to 14.
2.) Eliminate signing deer management permits over to others
3.) Go back to system where it is difficult to get 1 deer permit instead of 2.
4.) Absolutely do not implement AR... it doesn't work. There were the occasional big buck before AR in PA and now there still is the occasional big buck. In PA, too many are going home empty handed for a few trophy hunters. AR equates to GREED.
5.) Enforce stricter penalties for people who feed deer. Even those who only put out a 200 lb bag on their feeder.
6.) Mandatory jail time for poachers.
7.) More perks for landowners who do not post their lands
8.) Don't give extra doe permits to landowners for tree damage or crop depradation if that landowner has his land posted.
9.) Change the damn reporting system to postage free mail in. That stinkin' hotline is a pain in the azz.
10.) Outlaw tree stands.
If I thought some more, I could think of a few more.
1.) Lower the legal deer hunting age for shotgun in Southern Zone from 16 to 14.
2.) Eliminate signing deer management permits over to others
3.) Go back to system where it is difficult to get 1 deer permit instead of 2.
4.) Absolutely do not implement AR... it doesn't work. There were the occasional big buck before AR in PA and now there still is the occasional big buck. In PA, too many are going home empty handed for a few trophy hunters. AR equates to GREED.
5.) Enforce stricter penalties for people who feed deer. Even those who only put out a 200 lb bag on their feeder.
6.) Mandatory jail time for poachers.
7.) More perks for landowners who do not post their lands
8.) Don't give extra doe permits to landowners for tree damage or crop depradation if that landowner has his land posted.
9.) Change the damn reporting system to postage free mail in. That stinkin' hotline is a pain in the azz.
10.) Outlaw tree stands.
If I thought some more, I could think of a few more.
01-08-2005, 02:16 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2003
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RE: NY DEER HUNTER SURVEY
biggest problem in my area south of albany is the COMPLETE LACK OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. deer jacking starts as soon as the deer have antlers, and continues till they drop. i can't tell you how many rifle shots i hear in albany county(shotgun only) shotgun and rifle shots in 4j(bow only) and how many semi auto "muzzleloaders " ripping off 5 shot barrages during the late muzzleloader season.
phone calls fall on deaf ears.
i know 4 jerkoff kids who killed 32 bucks in less than 40 days, got caught, and not one even lost a license!! 2 of the 4 were right back doing it again this year, showing the deer off in july, august and september, and NO ONE FOLLOWED UP ANYTHING. i dont need to tell you guys what this does to a deer herd. all thier jacking is done within 10 square miles or so, no wonder we don't see squat. If i catch them, theyre getting thrown a beating like they wont forget.
and unfortunately, some of the worst culprits are the cops themselves. i have friends in LE that tell me how many deer are shot by fellow officers outta the patrol car windows, at night. just for the horns. its disgusting.
so, i dont think we need to change much, except to put some ENCON presence around a lot thicker.
my.02
-moose
phone calls fall on deaf ears.
i know 4 jerkoff kids who killed 32 bucks in less than 40 days, got caught, and not one even lost a license!! 2 of the 4 were right back doing it again this year, showing the deer off in july, august and september, and NO ONE FOLLOWED UP ANYTHING. i dont need to tell you guys what this does to a deer herd. all thier jacking is done within 10 square miles or so, no wonder we don't see squat. If i catch them, theyre getting thrown a beating like they wont forget.
and unfortunately, some of the worst culprits are the cops themselves. i have friends in LE that tell me how many deer are shot by fellow officers outta the patrol car windows, at night. just for the horns. its disgusting.
so, i dont think we need to change much, except to put some ENCON presence around a lot thicker.
my.02
-moose
01-09-2005, 06:36 AM
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Western up state NY in the USA
Posts: 259
RE: NY DEER HUNTER SURVEY
ORIGINAL: CattNY
If I was the dictator and I what I said was it, I would mandate the following changes, in order of preference:
1.) Lower the legal deer hunting age for shotgun in Southern Zone from 16 to 14.
2.) Eliminate signing deer management permits over to others
3.) Go back to system where it is difficult to get 1 deer permit instead of 2.
4.) Absolutely do not implement AR... it doesn't work. There were the occasional big buck before AR in PA and now there still is the occasional big buck. In PA, too many are going home empty handed for a few trophy hunters. AR equates to GREED.
5.) Enforce stricter penalties for people who feed deer. Even those who only put out a 200 lb bag on their feeder.
6.) Mandatory jail time for poachers.
7.) More perks for landowners who do not post their lands
8.) Don't give extra doe permits to landowners for tree damage or crop depradation if that landowner has his land posted.
9.) Change the damn reporting system to postage free mail in. That stinkin' hotline is a pain in the azz.
10.) Outlaw tree stands.
If I thought some more, I could think of a few more.
If I was the dictator and I what I said was it, I would mandate the following changes, in order of preference:
1.) Lower the legal deer hunting age for shotgun in Southern Zone from 16 to 14.
2.) Eliminate signing deer management permits over to others
3.) Go back to system where it is difficult to get 1 deer permit instead of 2.
4.) Absolutely do not implement AR... it doesn't work. There were the occasional big buck before AR in PA and now there still is the occasional big buck. In PA, too many are going home empty handed for a few trophy hunters. AR equates to GREED.
5.) Enforce stricter penalties for people who feed deer. Even those who only put out a 200 lb bag on their feeder.
6.) Mandatory jail time for poachers.
7.) More perks for landowners who do not post their lands
8.) Don't give extra doe permits to landowners for tree damage or crop depradation if that landowner has his land posted.
9.) Change the damn reporting system to postage free mail in. That stinkin' hotline is a pain in the azz.
10.) Outlaw tree stands.
If I thought some more, I could think of a few more.
I have used tree stands for over 20 years and there are still years I go deer less some by choice some cause I don't see em.
I really like # 8 this should be done 1st.
01-10-2005, 07:23 AM
#18
Join Date: Nov 2004
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RE: NY DEER HUNTER SURVEY
I agree maybe they shouldn't give out so many doe permits, but they should still be able to be signed over to some one. The problem is not signing over the permits it is the number of permits issued. It doesn't matter who kills the deer its the number of deer that get killed that is the issue as I see it. As for feeding deer that is already illegal in NY state and it should remain that way. There is a form of "mad cow" disease that effects deer that is present out west and NYS is trying to make sure that this doesn't happen here. I like tree stands and agree with several others in that I feel safer in my tree stand then I would on the ground. I don't think antler restriction would work.
01-10-2005, 10:23 AM
#19
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 135
RE: NY DEER HUNTER SURVEY
I like alot of your answers. I like ar's & they do work the bucks get to live past 1 1/2 . Your right in saying some of them will still get shot at that age but it's a start & maybe people will start passing up all the younger deer. If you shoot a mature doe u will know your not shooting a bb you don't have to see the buttons to tell the difference.