Whether hunters believe it or not is irrelevant. The simple fact is when 91% of the adult doe are being bred and the vast majority are producing twins, it is simply impossible to have a B/D ratio of greater than 1:3. Just because you can't comprhend simple biology and basic third grade math doesn't mean it isn't true.

Wrong again. I belived the OWDD of 1M deer in 2001 ,but what I questioned was the 8% herd reduction caused by the 2001 anterless harvest which was less than the 2000 anterless harvest.

I never questioned that we harvest 80% of our 1.5 buck or 80 % of our PS buck pror to AR.

Now I have a riddle for you. Let's say an archer sees 5 antlered buck from the same stand during archery season and can identify them by the number of points and shape of their racks. During the same period he sees 30 adult doe. How does the archer know how many of the adult doe he saw more than once?

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Now lets see..... 263k + 641k = 904k according to my math.

Maybe you're right, I dont understand the "simple math" that allowed you to add 263K and 641k to come up with 1 million.

Simple math or convenient math????

The 1 M deer are OW deer and the 904 K deer are the adult breeding population in the fall prior to hunting season. The change in the numbers is due to non-hunting adult mortality that occurs every year. You should know that by now.

deaddeer,

your numbers are baffling, almost mind numbing. you ask others for their "proof" or documentation, yet never give any of your own. why is that?? just curious.

when you spew those numbers of yours, why not list the sources so everyone cand go look for themselves. then they won't have to take your manipulations and interpretations at face value.

If you took the time to read the PGC press releases and annual reports on their website, you would know where all the data I post comes from. Also, if you would read pages 69 to71 of the Hunting Digest , you would find many of the same stats I post.

If you don't know where the data came from , how do you know I manipulated it in any way?

Does anyone know how to delete a double post?

If you took the time to read the PGC press releases and annual reports on their website, you would know where the data I post comes from. Also, if you would read pages 69 to71 of the Hunting Digest , you would find many of the same stats I post.

If you don't know where the data came from , how do you know I manipulated it in any way?

You know DD, you probably have some valid points in your posts but you barrage the board with such a deluge of numbers that makes it impossible to tell. Some of your numbers come right from reliable sources but some you've concluded by crunching the numbers in your own way.

If you want credibility here, identify the source of each number and admit to the ones you've come up with and try and make your case. The way you do it now makes it all suspect at best. It looks like the classic tactic of tossing a deluge of "facts" all at once in order to make verification impossible or at least very difficult in the hope that these "facts" wont get checked or questioned.

It is simply not practical to identify the source of every stat in every posts. The harvest data is available on the PGC web site and in the Digest. The percentage of 2.5+ buck harvested is also found in both sources. Applying PGC percentages to PGC harvest data is not manipulating or twisting the data to suit an agenda. It is just simple math. The antler survey data is availabe in the 2002annual report and the new OWDD tables are available in the 2003 annual report. The comparison of the old computer model and the new computer model is available on page 31 of The DEER Management Plan.

Now that you have most of my sources ,please feel free to point out any mistakes I may have made!!

It is simply not practical to identify the source of every stat in every posts. The harvest data is available on the PGC web site and in the Digest. The percentage of 2.5+ buck harvested is also found in both sources. Applying PGC percentages to PGC harvest data is not manipulating or twisting the data to suit an agenda. It is just simple math. The antler survey data is availabe in the 2002annual report and the new OWDD tables are available in the 2003 annual report. The comparison of the old computer model and the new computer model is available on page 31 of The DEER Management Plan.

Now that you have most of my sources ,please feel free to point out any mistakes I may have made!!