Alt calls those gluttons resposible hunters who are doing their part to manage the herd by using bonus tags for their intended purpose ,to reduce the herd. Your group on the other hand ,would be described as armchair biologists who think they know more than the professionals and establish their own goals based on their personal preferences rather than on what's best for the herd.

It really doesn't matter how doe tags are allocated when the herd in 2B is at 30 DPSM and the goal is 10 DPSM. The PGC's only choice is to saturate the area with anterless tags so that those that choose to manage the herd get enough tags to get the job done. Otherwise the PGC will bring in sharpshooters.

So you want to save the deer in your area even though it's 3 times the goal OWDD and you use the excuse that killing more deer in 2 B won't help reduce the herd in say 2F.? Well you are right ,but Alt doesn't expect every hunter to hunt in every WMU and they distribute the hunters by alloting more anterless tags where they want the most deer killed ,so 2B is a prime target.

Saving BB means passing on 46% of the anterless deer which means it will be impossible to harvest enough doe to control the herd and last years anterless harvest proved that point beyond a doubt.

The bottomline is you don't support Alt's plan, you don't support the OWDD gaols and you don't want to do your part to control the herd . All you want is the best opportunity to harvest a racked buck with the least amoint of effort.

The bottom line is:

I have a friend that I message back and forth to. He is mostly a doe hunter. He gets alot of tags. He uses the meat and enjoys it. He seems to take only what he can use, I can respect that. He is the opposite of me as far as what he hunts for. You would think we would argue about this but for some reason we have never discussed it. Why? Because not once not ever did I ever hear him complain about his opportunities. Not once did I ever hear him bash guys like me that like to pursue big bucks. Not once did I hear him blame guys like me for him not getting a buck. He has his expectation of success and he knows I have mine. He hunts mostly doe areas and I go long and deep. He does his thing, I do mine. I don't begrudge him a BB, he doesn't begrudge me a 10 point. We hunt the way we do and have a good time doing it.

If you don't go long and deep, it's not my fault you didn't score!

I don't begrude you a ten point and the vast majority of the states 1 M hunters don't either,since they don't know you. Yet you begrudge the fact that our group shot 6 BB last year even though we only had one other chance at an adult deer ,and that was the doe I got. You begrudge the fact that 68K other hunters harvested a BB in 2003 even though most of those hunters only shot one ,just like your friend.

Whether you like it or not, if you support Alt's HR and AR plan , you support having fewer BB because fewer BB will be produced and in order to get herd reduction it is absolutely necessary that we shoot fawns. Actually if you want more BB you should encourage hunters to shoot fawns ,because the surviving adult doe will produce more BB than the fawns that are shot in their place.

Alt is responsible for creating this conundrum by implementing AR before we had any herd reduction. Now we have two competeing factions of hunters and both are going to be disappointed with the results ,just like the guys in 2 G.

Which brings me to my final word;
My buddy hunts what he likes and that is fine with me. I have always said that everyone has their own expectation and measure of success. If you like to hunt does and an occasional BB, That I have no problem with. The problem appears when bashing begins on a plan to let a number of bucks make it to maturity, and blame occurs on the folks who like to hunt mature animals. Shooting 83% BB in your harvest and then blaming my kind for your lack of 1.5 buck opportunities is pure hipocrasy. Plain and simple, if you want to shoot BB, that is fine with me, I'll work around you, but don't blame anyone but the man in the mirror when no 1.5 buck are seen next year. Why is it that if I don't see what I'm after, I can somehow live with a tag unfilled, but if your kind sees no 1.5 bucks, they reduce to burger all next years crop and then stand innocent of all responsibility?
I never could understand all the infighting among hunters, especially in PA.
I guess I'm in the process of being enlightened.

Where in heavens name did you get the impression I was blaming anyone for the lack of 1.5 bucks in my area. I told you repeatedly that I no longer care about bucks because I don't want to put forth the effort to harvest a buck under the current regs. Furthermore, it would be ridiculous to blame a rack hunter for the lack of 1.5 buck,since they don't shoot BB and many apparently don't shoot doe.

The difference is we believe in herd reduction while you don't . We didn't shoot those BB because we didn't see any 1.5 buck, we shot them because we didn't see more adult doe. Filling a buck tag doesn't decrease the number of anterles deer one can harvest ,so your reasoning is flawed.

What you simply can't accept is that Alt's herd reduction plan will mean a lot fewer buck,whether we try to protect BB or not. If we kill 2 adult doe in order to save 1 BB , there will be two fewer BB born the following year ,so saving BB does not increase the number of future buck as you might expect.

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Have I rendered you speechless?

Why?
Do you miss my keyboard strokes?

Go on, you do your thing....I'll do mine..

That's fine with me . You can hunt for your tropies while I help Alt reduce the herd. But, don't complain about hunters shooting BB because it might make it harder to harvest your trophy.

hehehe...nice attempt, tryin to lure me out.

I know, I know......I'll miss you too.