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atlasman

I don't care about their validity.......you however have said that it is the basic formula that they use to cover the entire herd. I find that VERY prone to errors and full of guesstimating. I have also asked you a bunch of questions that would help clarify the vagueness of this subject.


Why is that funny?? Once again your attitude of "If your not inside the circle.......you can't have an opinion" shows through bright and clear.


It's really how you come off. Anyone without a wildlife ranger patch on his sleeve has no right to question the almighty DEC.........no matter how bad things seem in the field.

What does that mean really?? Who cares?? I'm sure they are all qualified on paper to do the job that they have........on paper. The real world is a much different thing and just because you sit in a classroom and memorize stuff for a test doesn't mean you have ALL the skills to plan, assess, and develope a states deer herd. You have to be able to adapt to a very dynamic world and stay one step ahead of the game or you get left behind. IMO the NYDEC got left behind a long time ago and they have been unsucessfully trying to catch up ever since.


Respectfully disagreement is not deserved by the DEC. This has been going on for years and years and they continue to not only do nothing to correct the situation but they also put forth ideas that only will make matters worse. I treat them exactly how I feel they treat NY hunters........When deer numbers are obviously down and they try and get everyone to believe year after year that their are more deer out there then ever.........that is the same as calling us idiots........because you would have to be one to believe that.



What??.......that they are wanna be cops?? Just giving you my impression of 99% of them I have met. As soon as I stop meeting wanna be cops dressed in green I will let you know.


You're joking right? You can't even hide your desperation to be considered part of that team I'm sure everyone on the NYPD sees DEC officers as equals


Even more comforting knowing a DEC guy thinks the whole state is the same as his own hunting spot [:'(]

No wonder we are in this mess.

atlasman

Agreed.......and I don't think standing around twidling our thumbs while they run the herd into the ground is the way to do that.


What does that even mean?? DEC......Love it or leave it?? The entire foundation of a democracy is to change things for the better by placing responsible people in roles of leadership to keep things moving in a positive direction. Change is brought about by discussion of problems and well planned solutions.......not sitting around doing nothing just hoping things will get better on their own. I don't even know what you meant by the poaching comment.


Get you facts straight before spouting off. I said I know people that don't call in. I and my whole family call in EVERY deer we kill. All the other guys are adults and I tell them every chance I get that what they do is stupid but I can't force them to call.


Once again you are confused.......go back and read the thread again and maybe it will make sense this time around


That is the bottom line.


Exactly........but why?? You are just so willing to accept that "those days are gone" like it was some natural cycle of nature or something........it isn't. It's piss poor management of our deer herd by an incompetent DEC. If they had done their jobs properly those days would not be such a distant memory to older hunters and strictly folklore to younger ones. The DEC wants the deer herd down........period. That is why it is down.

atlasman

I'm sure they are all swell guys who studied really hard. It doesn't change my observations and experiences with them. I never intended my comments to be bashing of DEC officers........just a general observation..........I think it touched a nerve because it hit close to home.

atlasman

That is such a lame answer it's laughable. The tags are issued in hopes that they WILL be filled........the fact that only a certain % actually do get filled is the DEC falling short of it's goals.

The only logical reason to give more tags is that you want more deer killed. Hunter's can't kill more deer without more tags.

If they know that people are never gonna fill 5-7 tags then why are they wasting all the resources that go into figuring out and distributing all those useless tags??


Gee, I wonder if pumping up herd numbers to make guys think they can fill that many tags each year so they spend the extra money on a super sportsman has anything to do with it??

dvdegeorge

You guys are starting to sound like the Pa. guys[:-]

NY Bowhunter

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm E=MC2 gee call me crazy, but I think that just may have something to do with it.[:-]


why risk "problems"??

Charlie P

I'd buy the super sportsmens anyway. Because I use it.

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atlasman

If it's not possible to even come close to filling the tags then why give them all out??


Oh yea I forgot


$$$$$$


Wonder what they do with all that extra money..........I also wonder if alloutdoors plans on ever answering ANY of my questions about the accuracy of these processor visits???