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atlasman

Never said they were.


99% of the ones I have met ARE wanna be's plain and simple. They may technically have those powers but they don't use them on a day to day basis. They just drive around bored off their ass hoping to find someone doing something wrong to put some excitement into an otherwise brutally boring job. You know exactly what I mean.........they can be found in every pseudo law enforcement branch out there.



I have hunted every state forest and WMU within a 4 hour drive in every direction........my statements apply to them all.


Well the state forest I have spent most my time in and around has some pines but is mostly hardwoods and in the last 17 years I have seen it logged once and that was minimal...........Oh and BTW my family has taken too many deer to count from that place where you "won't find many deer" LOLOLOL



You have got to be joking.........small random samples used and extrapolated to cover the whole state. Full of assumptions and guesswork. The error rate of such guesstimating would be huge.


I will trust you and them when I start to see with my own eyes in the woods and fields what they are telling me I should see. Until then it is all just blowing smoke. Put up or shut up. When 99% of the people in the woods are saying the same thing you really should pay attention to it.


Obviously it wasn't statistics

So what IS the sample size??.......how many processors do they go to in how many areas and at what time of year, what seasons, how many deer do they count in total and how do they check those tag numbers against the DECALS system, do they use different processors every year or same ones, do the processors tell them these numbers or do they physically go and count tags and write down numbers to check, how many numbers are mistakenly transcribed and what is done if it is??

That's a good start.




So it's OK for you to see other people's statements as arrogant but when your own arrogance is called out.......that is a problem. Interesting logic.



I hunted 40+ days last year and have been hunting for 17 years. My brothers 19 and 24 respectively and my dad over 40 years........all in pretty much the same woods. I won't even count all our friends, relatives and other hunters we know with equal or more experiences.

Now add in all the days we spend in the woods scouting and hunting turkey and small game and you might start to see the light............but I doubt it.


I personally couldn't care less. It doesn't matter to me who knows more or who has been to school today. What I care about are the woods I spend a good part of my life enjoying and right now I am simply fed up with all the crap. I have been saying these things for years now because it has been brewing for a LONG time. In the near future you will hear more about it as it starts to effect more and more "average hunters" and they start thinking twice about spending $70 to go sit in the woods and watch the leaves fall.


So no one is allowed to voice an opinion based on real life experiences in the woods unless they have a degree in wildlife management?? You really don't want me to point out the arrogance thing again do you?



Because when a group is responsible for looking after our woods that we love so much and the animals within.........they have to face the music if they are not doing a good job.......just like every other job in the world. No one is saying they are twisting their hands like Mr Burns and hatching an evil plan against hunters in NY. I simply see them as incapable of doing the job........fill in the blank with whatever reason you want, it doesn't really matter. Bottom line is they are not doing a good job managing our deer herd and I will be damned if I am gonna sit there and watch it happen without voicing an opinion on the matter.

Your attitude of "anyone who isn't a wildlife biologist should just shut up and leave it to the pros" is simply nauseating and has actually lowered my opinion of DEC officials because I'm sure you aren't the only wanna be out there with that attitude.


No wonder we are on this dead end road. NY should be a Mecca for deer hunters from around the country.................should be

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mysticguido

WOW.... would say that both of you are right in you'r own mind. We all should do that right thing. Like if there is a Year long Deer season, Then thats kool with me. Why you say? I will only take ones that need to go, in the summer you can teel the not so good ones. Hell if one gets hit by a car and hurt really bad, I can do the right thing. I guess what I mine is, If there is a season You don't have to hunt it. Do the math on that one...

BuckAlley

This whole subject, and argumentive responses really pisses me off! Here we got two guys going back & forth like 2 Mr. know it alls. 1 believes in the DEC, the other doesn't. So now I'm putting in my 2cents if its even worth that. I may not agree with everything the DEC does. But regardless its the only system we have in the state. So we need to make the best of it. Atlasman if you don't like the system the DEC uses, then why do you even bother to purchase a hunting license, heck why not just go poach your deer while your at it. You obviously expect the DEC system to be perfect, but yet you, and your buddies do little to help contribute to the system by not calling in your harvests. So all I can say if you don't think the system works, its partially do to NO EFFORT by yourself, and friends. So give yourself a big pat on the back there! I certainly appreciate your honesty for the future herd. So lets just complain about the system, but do nothing to help it. RIGHT!
On the other hand I do agree our deer populations are way down. The DEC has worked for the last several yrs to purposely lower the population. Its doing it for reasons to try, and satisfy all parties. The farmers, the motorists, and the hunters. Sure I'd like to see 20 deer go by in a herd. But those days are gone. But what we have now sure beats story's from my grandfathers telling me of hunting wks w/o ever seeing a deer. If a hunter cut a track they had a good day!!!!!!!!!!

BuckAlley

I'd also like to comment on Encon Ofcr's, seeing they got bashed in this forum. Encon has to learn more laws then your normal police ofcr. Encon has to know Penal, Criminal Procedure, and 2 thick volumes of Conservation law. 1 Conservation law book is more then twice the size of our NYS penal law. On top of that Encon are considered to have the most dangerous job of all law enforcement personal in NYS. Encon is almost always dealing with persons having firearms, and knives. Encon also does assist State Troopers with their duties. So before you go knocking our law enforcement persons, consider what they go through.

doughboysigep

Stop now alloutdoors. You'll never get them to admit they may be (even a bit) overboard. Conspiracy theories abound and give people something to complain about. I happen to agree with what you are stating (and probably some of what the others have said (however, the replies got too long so I stopped reading).
The type of legislation that was sited originally would most likely come from Ag & Markets and probably pushed by Farm Bureau. By the way there is something similar to this in place currently (DMAP). I believe there is quite an expanded "season" to utilize those permits.
We've beaten these arguements into the ground in the past. Simple fact is: some people saw/harvested several deer last year (or 2) and some people didn't. Called luck of the draw, and the luck is enhanced by what you do before, during, & after the season and many other factors (local deer pop. fluctuations, hunting pressure, posted land, etc.).

Hunt hard, be happy, and stop complaining so much (a little is fine and good for discussion, but this went south fast)

NYBowhunter - why did you attack so fiercely?? We have had "discussions" in the past and I don't remember you "snapping" like that. I think there is a rule about that or somethin'. Deep breaths, deep breaths.

OK boys - fire away, I sure I have said something that is abosolutely wrong or I am naive, or something.

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Clint.

I know that in my area, nuisance permits are sometimes just an excuse to be shooting at deer. Sometimes, two or three deer are taken on a permit. I hear farmers joking about misusing the permits all the time. While deer are plentiful in some areas, they have been decimated in others.

I know one farmer who has received nuisance permits for the last two years. He hands them out to his pals. None of them have killed a deer because there aren't any there! Some nuisance, huh?

I know another farmer who gives his nuisance permits to his pals and tells them not to kill a deer with less than 8 points. Is he really worried about his crops? I think not.

To get back to the original intent of this thread...if deer hunting were allowed year-round, I suspect that deer numbers would decline drastically.
I spend lots of time in the upstate woods in the winter. Deer herd up in certain areas when snow depth increases. They become hungry and spend lots of time looking for food. I often find the low pine needle brances of every white pine eaten off during winter. Hunger lessens caution when snows are deep. It would be just too easy to kill them. Not much sport in killing something that is hungry and too weak to run away from you in deep snow. But...to each his own.

Clint

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