Oldtimr

He can't, he thinks if he blows smoke long enough some of it will obscure the truth, he is very wrong. I would really love to know what his motive is and which industry he is affiliated with, raising deer for high fence or running one.

olsaltydog

Then read from post #1 on, we have been very consistent on our views in regards to deer scents since the beginning of this thread and deer preserves was not specifically addressed until Mr. Wild Whitetail decided to join and chime in. So we happily obliged in sharing our views on that as well.

You on the other hand claim these are pics of deer with EHD, prove it. You cannot demand us to back our position which we have been happily supplying you fellas with information, and not back your claims. You should also be able to supply documentation refuting the causes and affects of CWD, support your position and claims.

Topgun 3006

This is a waste of time with two, or maybe it's just one, guys that want information and were given it only to just keep posting with nothing to back up their claims. They obviously have a money driven agenda of some sort and it's very obvious they don't care about the wild animals because no true hunter/conservationist would be making posts like that!

BigTime1

No you ran your mouths about prions being spread by urine and you have no science or facts to back up your claims. I have had cwd positive deer at my feet. Have been at depopulation s and have heard all the fear mungers like you few on me. They can't find the prion in node and brain tested positive deer but you few think the sky is falling. It's a joke listening to you blow on about something that has no 100% facts behind it! How about shutting down farms from selling corn and alfalfa ? That has been 100% proven to be a vector. Lets shut them all down???

Oldtimr

Are you still spewing your crap! I knew you had to be involved in the industry, no one else would try so hard to prevaricate and blow smoke to try to convince those who know better. Don't go away mad, just, well you know the rest.

Topgun 3006

If this link below with all kinds of testing and facts regarding deer urine infected with the CWD prions doesn't shut him up, then a Mod should because all he's doing is violating site rules by attacking people that are trying to have a meaningful conversation and give him the facts he's asking for!

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...c-wasting.html

Oldtimr

He doesn't want a meaningful conversation, he wants to shut down any truthful conversations about CWD and pen raised deer, because he raises them. Probably contacted to come here by the high fence operator. It is frightening to him that more and more people are beginning to be concerned and learn something about CWD and he fears the truth will shut him down so what we are seeing is the result of panic caused by the truth. He must think he walked into a Kindergarten class.

super_hunt54

Thanks Top, I was looking for that link. It contains a multitude of "snips" along with the links to each of the studies. Guys such as these just keep trying to keep everyone uneducated. While yes EHD is also a bad disease, it is a viral infection and one that can be much more easily overcome than CWD or any other of the diseases caused by Prions. EHD is also 100 times faster acting (infected deer usually show signs within 7 days of infection and die within 2 or 3 days after that. EHD has been around for many many years and unlike what BigTime would have folks believe it has almost NOTHING in common with CWD. About the only things are the extra salivation and loss of appetite. A deer wont lose too awful much weight and do NOT look emaciated like CWD deer do. 2 to 3 days isn't enough time for them to emaciate. Keep on trying BigTime. As oldtimr stated, we aren't a bunch of kindergardners around here. Your agenda is clear. You are worried that people will finally open their eyes to the truth and it is scaring your wallet.

Edit to add, you said something about waiting till EHD hits your area, well, it's hit just about everywhere in North America many times over the years and has rarely killed more than 100 deer in a state in a years time.

BigTime1

Oh my god please. You couple talk about kindergarten class education.

First you post something from a quack Terry Singleterry, A guy that did not even graduate high school!!! So i did not get down 3 paragraphs and have enough to show how uneducated you really are on the subject of CWD prions transmitted in urine.

[A]We report on detection of CWD prions in urine collected from pre-symptomatic deer and in fecal extracts by using real time quaking-induced conversion_____ Do you know what quaking induced conversion even means????

B,We demonstrate that CWD prions are detectable in urine of orally infected deer prior to the onset of clinical symptoms________ Again...How easy is this...WE DEMONSTRATE THAT CWD PRIONS ARE DETECTABLE IN----ORALLY INFECTED DEER?????? Do you know what that means???? A needle and syringe put CWD in the urine! There is a hell of a big difference between man and a needle and natural infection of a disease. Simple!

C,In summary, we demonstrate that CWD prions can be detected by RT-QuIC in urine of orally infected white-tailed deer and mule deer at a pre-symptomatic stage of the disease_______ Again i think a kindergarten student would understand what this means. A deer did not transmit CWD....Man did...Again.

So in summery you and nobody else has any facts or cases of CWD prion found naturally in a whitetail deer. Period.

You couple say you are so educated? I really hope you can decipher this and comprehend what it means? All theory and no facts.
Please come back with facts and truths and not spew a bunch of maybe's and what if's.

Still waiting for the reply on your thoughts of shutting down any grain and hay sales in any CWD positive states? Has to be done!!!!!

Topgun 3006

He didn't do any of the studies and research that was in that link! All he did was put all the research that has been done together in readable form that you say you skipped right over, so who cares other than you whether he graduated high school! Please don't make any more posts because it's obvious that nothing will satisfy you and your warped agenda, which is obviously money driven with no care or thought of the wildlife resource! All you want was given and yet you have done nothing on your end to disprove any of the scientific facts done by many reputable agencies at the state and national level, as well as private industry!